Can PH solve the missing Honington airman?
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saaby93 said:
Willhire89 said:
crankedup said:
as a Society we owe it to the family to find Corries remains.
There are far far more deserving cases - Keith Bennett being an obvious example
crankedup said:
Oh please! you cannot be serious. The Police make a complete keystone cop on this and then tell us that 'corrie is still in there' (the tip) as a Society we owe it to the family to find Corries remains. One million pounds is not the one billion the Government found to keep themselves in office.
At what point do the police say he cannot be found? There has to be a limit on time expired and/or money spent.What do you suggest the limits should be?
crankedup said:
he served in the RAF
What has that got to do with anything? A person can be reckless, stupid, a dick or any number of things - just because they are in the RAF doesn't change that.Honestly people sometimes throw in "they served in the armed forces" as if it's some kind of trump all argument.
Willhire89 said:
crankedup said:
as a Society we owe it to the family to find Corries remains.
There are far far more deserving cases - Keith Bennett being an obvious exampleSecond gross error announcing that Corries body is almost certainly in the landfill.
Third gross error abandon the search still believing his body is in the landfill.
For other posters concerned about the cost of the search, unless you live within the Suffolk Police boundary of responsibility you do not pay for thier service. I live in Bury st Edmunds and have zero problem with the expenditure related to the search. My trouble is learning about the Police incompetence throughout this whole sorry sad case.
Phil Dicky said:
saaby93 said:
Phil Dicky said:
Corrie made several seriously bad decisions the may have lead to his death.
What seriously bad decisions?Last we saw him wandering around BSE, then disappeared
eldar said:
crankedup said:
Oh please! you cannot be serious. The Police make a complete keystone cop on this and then tell us that 'corrie is still in there' (the tip) as a Society we owe it to the family to find Corries remains. One million pounds is not the one billion the Government found to keep themselves in office.
At what point do the police say he cannot be found? There has to be a limit on time expired and/or money spent.What do you suggest the limits should be?
As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.
Moonhawk said:
crankedup said:
he served in the RAF
What has that got to do with anything? A person can be reckless, stupid, a dick or any number of things - just because they are in the RAF doesn't change that.Honestly people sometimes throw in "they served in the armed forces" as if it's some kind of trump all argument.
crankedup said:
Phil Dicky said:
saaby93 said:
Phil Dicky said:
Corrie made several seriously bad decisions the may have lead to his death.
What seriously bad decisions?Last we saw him wandering around BSE, then disappeared
crankedup said:
I would suggest the limits could be considered by the paying members of public suggest the time has come to stop the search. Let's not forget that these Police are getting paid wherever they may be spending the day at work.
As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.
The limits have been assessed by the voting members of the public - indirectly, certainly, via the electoral process. I don't see how one particular case should be given special treatment, possibly at the expense of other, equally deserving cases.As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.
The family is lobbying, as is their unquestioned right, that they deserve an unlimited budget to continue the search. Others have the right to express an opinion that an such a budget is not justifiable. Someone has to decide when to stop searching.
Based on some comments in this thread i've read up on the Police mishandling of the entire investigation and the hundreds of thousands of pounds they have wasted through sheer ineptitude.
Regardless of whether another penny is or isnt spent, I sincerely hope whatever inadequate is in charge is seen for what they are and demoted to a position where they aren't in charge of the station biros precurement without joint supervision, never mind a seven figure investigation ever again.
Suffolk Police really did fail that lad and his family.
Regardless of whether another penny is or isnt spent, I sincerely hope whatever inadequate is in charge is seen for what they are and demoted to a position where they aren't in charge of the station biros precurement without joint supervision, never mind a seven figure investigation ever again.
Suffolk Police really did fail that lad and his family.
crankedup said:
You miss the point, I mentioned that he was a well respected person within the service. Being in the Forces is a massive thumb up, if the lad had been a lazy unemployed benefits cheat I dread to think what some would write about him The lad went on a bender, some in here try to make it sound like he was some kind of bad person.
No he wasn't. By all accounts he was a complete liability.None of the people on base would go out with him and he'd down a bottle in his car on his own before getting in a fight and getting kicked out for the night.
It's still a shame mind.
Hainey said:
Based on some comments in this thread i've read up on the Police mishandling of the entire investigation and the hundreds of thousands of pounds they have wasted through sheer ineptitude.
Regardless of whether another penny is or isnt spent, I sincerely hope whatever inadequate is in charge is seen for what they are and demoted to a position where they aren't in charge of the station biros precurement without joint supervision, never mind a seven figure investigation ever again.
Suffolk Police really did fail that lad and his family.
Agreed. Regardless of whether another penny is or isnt spent, I sincerely hope whatever inadequate is in charge is seen for what they are and demoted to a position where they aren't in charge of the station biros precurement without joint supervision, never mind a seven figure investigation ever again.
Suffolk Police really did fail that lad and his family.
Seen going into a area with bins and no other exits - and never emerging - check
Phone records showing early on the track of a bin lorry to a recycling yard - check
numerous well publicised deaths through rough sleepers being consumed by bin lorries - check
Disregarding these clear indicators for many months and refusing to search the obvious site until many extra thousands of tonnes dumped - check
Someone made some terrible decisions.
crankedup said:
You miss the point, I mentioned that he was a well respected person within the service. Being in the Forces is a massive thumb up, if the lad had been a lazy unemployed benefits cheat I dread to think what some would write about him The lad went on a bender, some in here try to make it sound like he was some kind of bad person.
But the point that was made (which you replied to) was not that he was a bad person - it was that he appears to have been reckless.It doesn't matter how well respected somebody is, how many thumbs up you give them or whether or not they are a "lazy unemployed benefits cheat" - they can still be reckless and/or irresponsible with their own lives.
TTmonkey said:
Agreed.
Seen going into a area with bins and no other exits - and never emerging - check
Phone records showing early on the track of a bin lorry to a recycling yard - check
numerous well publicised deaths through rough sleepers being consumed by bin lorries - check
Disregarding these clear indicators for many months and refusing to search the obvious site until many extra thousands of tonnes dumped - check
Someone made some terrible decisions.
Hindsight?Seen going into a area with bins and no other exits - and never emerging - check
Phone records showing early on the track of a bin lorry to a recycling yard - check
numerous well publicised deaths through rough sleepers being consumed by bin lorries - check
Disregarding these clear indicators for many months and refusing to search the obvious site until many extra thousands of tonnes dumped - check
Someone made some terrible decisions.
What was the chronology of each of the "checks"? Were sufficient cameras always on the alley to know for sure (could have been taking a pee)? Phone could have been binned accidentally? Not regarded as a homeless/rough sleeper?
If what happened to him was as it seems, one person made a really bad decision for sure. Maybe others did too, maybe it was understandable with what they had in front of them.
Crikey, I "lost" a key to the car a few years ago. Ended up getting another at great expense having turned the house and car upside down myriad times. It showed up about 6mths ago whilst having a garage clear up. With hindsight I knew exactly how it could have ended up there. But at the time none of the evidence available to me ever pointed to that spot
coyft said:
Hainey said:
Are you a trained professional detective Murph?
If the Police are to be expected to be no better than the layman off the street at this business as you allude to, we really do have problems in this country.
You can't train common sense.If the Police are to be expected to be no better than the layman off the street at this business as you allude to, we really do have problems in this country.
Or it seems not in this sorry case.
Hainey said:
Are you a trained professional detective Murph?
If the Police are to be expected to be no better than the layman off the street at this business as you allude to, we really do have problems in this country.
Not at all.If the Police are to be expected to be no better than the layman off the street at this business as you allude to, we really do have problems in this country.
But equally I'm not sure it's as simple as the checkpoints they made out. It seems to be after the fact, but then where my keys were was pretty obvious after the fact (despite, on a scale of complexity, being somewhat less and hence commensurate with my professional credentials)
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