Can PH solve the missing Honington airman?
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Murph7355 said:
Hainey said:
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This is not a historic case. It is very much a live one in the here and now.
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How long did the searches go on for and what sort of money/resource was expended? (Plus, how much deficit/national debt were we carrying at the time...).This is not a historic case. It is very much a live one in the here and now.
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crankedup said:
Life is a risk, what do you do to eliminate that risk. Either live life and accept that people do daft things, like motor racing, mountaineering, sky diving, all of those that partake are idiots? Millions of people get drunk, it doesn't make them idiots, although they may act that way.
Not sleeping in bins?I have a spare spade if you want it and the task is so straightforward.
Let's stick to facts.
I have never said the search was easy, nor inexpensive. Please let's not let sarcasm into the thread.
crankedup said:
Greendubber said:
crankedup said:
Greendubber said:
crankedup said:
Greendubber said:
crankedup said:
eldar said:
crankedup said:
I would suggest the limits could be considered by the paying members of public suggest the time has come to stop the search. Let's not forget that these Police are getting paid wherever they may be spending the day at work.
As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.
The limits have been assessed by the voting members of the public - indirectly, certainly, via the electoral process. I don't see how one particular case should be given special treatment, possibly at the expense of other, equally deserving cases.As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.
The family is lobbying, as is their unquestioned right, that they deserve an unlimited budget to continue the search. Others have the right to express an opinion that an such a budget is not justifiable. Someone has to decide when to stop searching.
Compounding this they assured the family they would find Corries remains.
They need to continue the search and fulfill thier obligations to the family, even though they are ONLY moral obligations.
Who decided that this case have been afforded 'special treatment' as you put it?
Search every square inch of the entire county on the off chance? Never going to happen
The Police have consistently announced publicly that Corries body is in landfill site. They have identified the area of the site and found waste that confirms the correct dateline and locations.
It's not a case of not knowing where the body is, by Police own announcements, they are searching the correct area, again Police confirmations and announcements. The search call off is solely due to financial implication, which given the incompetence of the police throughout have only themselves to blame.
Did they give 100% assurance he was there?
Just because they suspected him to be there does not mean he is.
They were confident his body could have been there so searched the site and he's not there, who's fault is that?
Either he has risen from the dead and walked off from the landfill or he wasn't there in the first place. There's no crystal ball with missing persons searches.
Apart from your semantics we have some moral responsibility to the family, having built up thier hopes.
You can't change the fact he is not there. Based on the information they were confident he might be there, that is not an assurance is it?
With no further lines of enquiry, no proof of life (banks being used, sightings) then they have no alternative than the file it pending anything else coming to light.
No persons can say positively Corries body is not in the landfill.
All indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
All indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
danllama said:
Based on the incompetence seen of the police so far, it wouldn't surprise me if he is there but they've "looked" and didn't find him.
He could well be mashed up in the lorry.
He would almost without doubt have been crushed by the lorry mechanism. However his body or remains should be easily identifiable. The Police are taking. financial decision to stop looking for his body, the decision is not based upon likelihood or otherwise of positive identification of remains He could well be mashed up in the lorry.
This represents a disgusting betrayal of the family imo
Willhire89 said:
Hainey said:
Stawman arguments based upon historic cases that unless we have a time machine cannot be changed. You deride from your position by pushing that angle.
This is not a historic case. It is very much a live one in the here and now.
I note however you also seem to have issues with Corries personal conduct, is that whats influencing your viewpoint? Do you not feel he is 'worthy' of not being left to rot amongst societies waste instead of being given a burial for the benefit of his family amd child?
No - this now an historic case just like Claudia Lawrence and only should be active again if something new comes up to investigate. He has been missing ten months is not with the waste of the right period. This is not a historic case. It is very much a live one in the here and now.
I note however you also seem to have issues with Corries personal conduct, is that whats influencing your viewpoint? Do you not feel he is 'worthy' of not being left to rot amongst societies waste instead of being given a burial for the benefit of his family amd child?
You have no more idea if he is 'being left to rot amongst societies waste' than I do
That is not the case with Lamplugh etc.
Given the shocking gaps in Police procedure literally from day one I think there is justification for the removal of the team involved and a new one assigned that can start again from first principles.
I ask myself how I would feel were it my son involved and my response is a mixture of anger, cheated, lied to and patronised by the very 'professionals' we are asked to trust unquestioningly in our society.
crankedup said:
No persons can say positively Corries body is not in the landfill.
All indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
So what's the alternative as they have clearly searched the area he would likely to have been in with a negative result. All indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
What next?
Greendubber said:
crankedup said:
No persons can say positively Corries body is not in the landfill.
All indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
So what's the alternative as they have clearly searched the area he would likely to have been in with a negative result. All indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
What next?
Thats not Police work. Thats shirking to save a pound.
Hainey said:
Greendubber said:
crankedup said:
No persons can say positively Corries body is not in the landfill.
All indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
So what's the alternative as they have clearly searched the area he would likely to have been in with a negative result. All indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
What next?
Thats not Police work. Thats shirking to save a pound.
I've seen ground penetrating radar used on landfill sites and cadaver dogs as well as physical searching, what techniques have they used here?
crankedup said:
No persons can say positively Corries body is not in the landfill.
All indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
All of that may very well be true but there comes a point when the Police have to say enough is enough; there is only so much money and so much man power - hard as it is for the family,mit can't all be consumed searching for one person's bodyAll indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
Murph7355 said:
coyft said:
Isn't that obvious?
crankedup and hainey's?Need to add that over 20,000 signatures have been added to the online petition asking for Police to reconsider decision.
Corries dad blockaded the landfill entrance with his motor home today. He is prepared to up the anti.
Meanwhile the mother is meeting Ploice this evening and will explore other actions such as military involvement to assist manpower on site.
ClaphamGT3 said:
crankedup said:
No persons can say positively Corries body is not in the landfill.
All indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
All of that may very well be true but there comes a point when the Police have to say enough is enough; there is only so much money and so much man power - hard as it is for the family,mit can't all be consumed searching for one person's bodyAll indicators point to the fact that he is almost certainly in the landfill, read the reports.
All indicators that Corrie walked away from the area last seen point to the sound reasoning that he did not leave the site by foot.
The Police must resume the search, Corrie has not simply vanished into thin air. Video evidence tells us that he did not leave the area where the bins were stored.
Investigations tell us that Corrie was in the waste bin.
Stop trying to pretend that he has somehow defied all logic reasoning, video evidence and forensic details as disclosed by Police and walked off into the sunset.
This is also a case of public confidence in the Police, can they really be as incompetant as this case displays, seems so. And to think I signed up offering them additional cash this year!!
crankedup said:
That being the case after just one million pounds and 12 weeks, it's akin to third World not 5th wealthiest Country in this World. ...
Give it a rest. Are you ///ajd all of a sudden 
How many true third world countries have police forces with 1mGBP available, let alone ones that are prepared to spend it looking for a missing airman suspected of sleeping in a bin after a night out.
It's awful for the family. It must be hellish not knowing his final whereabouts. But the money available isn't infinite, no matter what mistakes may or may not have been.
Maybe the 20,000 signatories could all take a spade to the landfill and start digging. Might be a better way to find out whether he's genuinely there or not.
Murph7355 said:
crankedup said:
That being the case after just one million pounds and 12 weeks, it's akin to third World not 5th wealthiest Country in this World. ...
Give it a rest. Are you ///ajd all of a sudden How many true third world countries have police forces with 1mGBP available, let alone ones that are prepared to spend it looking for a missing airman suspected of sleeping in a bin after a night out.
It's awful for the family. It must be hellish not knowing his final whereabouts. But the money available isn't infinite, no matter what mistakes may or may not have been.
Maybe the 20,000 signatories could all take a spade to the landfill and start digging. Might be a better way to find out whether he's genuinely there or not.
If all you have to contribute is sarcasm why don't you do some research and contribute something useful and positive.
Hainey said:
Willhire89 said:
Hainey said:
Stawman arguments based upon historic cases that unless we have a time machine cannot be changed. You deride from your position by pushing that angle.
This is not a historic case. It is very much a live one in the here and now.
I note however you also seem to have issues with Corries personal conduct, is that whats influencing your viewpoint? Do you not feel he is 'worthy' of not being left to rot amongst societies waste instead of being given a burial for the benefit of his family amd child?
No - this now an historic case just like Claudia Lawrence and only should be active again if something new comes up to investigate. He has been missing ten months is not with the waste of the right period. This is not a historic case. It is very much a live one in the here and now.
I note however you also seem to have issues with Corries personal conduct, is that whats influencing your viewpoint? Do you not feel he is 'worthy' of not being left to rot amongst societies waste instead of being given a burial for the benefit of his family amd child?
You have no more idea if he is 'being left to rot amongst societies waste' than I do
That is not the case with Lamplugh etc.
Given the shocking gaps in Police procedure literally from day one I think there is justification for the removal of the team involved and a new one assigned that can start again from first principles.
I ask myself how I would feel were it my son involved and my response is a mixture of anger, cheated, lied to and patronised by the very 'professionals' we are asked to trust unquestioningly in our society.
crankedup said:
For other posters concerned about the cost of the search, unless you live within the Suffolk Police boundary of responsibility you do not pay for thier service. I live in Bury st Edmunds and have zero problem with the expenditure related to the search. My trouble is learning about the Police incompetence throughout this whole sorry sad case.
I live in Suffolk so hopefully my opinion is valid.It's clear that the police are only releasing information to the public as and when it is in the investigations best interests to do - i.e. the dating websites came out after several months, but the police disclosed that they knew from virtually day one. I can only speculate as to the reasons to this.
I can also understand how this stance could be upsetting to outsiders (the family, especially) who feel that they ignoring key information or not acting in the most "obvious" way (based only on the publically available information).
I think that unless you know all the facts of this case - which simply aren't in the public domain (yet) - I don't think it's fair to criticise their choice of action based only some of the picture.
I also think that the amount spent on this investigation is incredible and at this point the odds of him being are alive are infinitesimal. At some point you have to draw a line, but in a major investigation such as this that's always going be to be difficult.
Jakg said:
crankedup said:
For other posters concerned about the cost of the search, unless you live within the Suffolk Police boundary of responsibility you do not pay for thier service. I live in Bury st Edmunds and have zero problem with the expenditure related to the search. My trouble is learning about the Police incompetence throughout this whole sorry sad case.
I live in Suffolk so hopefully my opinion is valid.It's clear that the police are only releasing information to the public as and when it is in the investigations best interests to do - i.e. the dating websites came out after several months, but the police disclosed that they knew from virtually day one. I can only speculate as to the reasons to this.
I can also understand how this stance could be upsetting to outsiders (the family, especially) who feel that they ignoring key information or not acting in the most "obvious" way (based only on the publically available information).
I think that unless you know all the facts of this case - which simply aren't in the public domain (yet) - I don't think it's fair to criticise their choice of action based only some of the picture.
I also think that the amount spent on this investigation is incredible and at this point the odds of him being are alive are infinitesimal. At some point you have to draw a line, but in a major investigation such as this that's always going be to be difficult.
So far as the financial expenditure, in the context of previous investigations such as the Soham murders, Ipswich murders be interesting to see the expenditure on those investigations. Yes people will say perhaps the murders warrant deeper investigation and larger budgets and that may be so.
For me the key difficulty in accepting the Police action in Corries case is the complete public 'car crash' of the investigation from the outset. Locally, this has caused much derision of the police force and loss of respect of professionalism. The key aspects were missed opportunities
Why did the police ignore the fact that Corrie entered an area and did not leave? video evidence.
Why did they not fully investigate the second most obvious clue, his phone trace?
Why did they seemingly accept the weight of the bin lorry as correct when the phone trace and lack of Corrie on CCTV from the area was compelling?
Why did it take so long for the Police to realise thier apparent mistake?
It may be benifit of hindsight, but living in Bury st Edmunds the talk was 'Corrie is in the landfill'
why can't the Police see that is obvious?
Be interesting to read the independant Police review of Suffolk Police handling of this case. Whichever public confidence in them has been damaged.
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