Can PH solve the missing Honington airman?
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A sad case and has hints of the Keith Bennett body search in that everybody 'knew' where the body was, but despite extensive and continuous searches of the Moors, nothing was ever found.
Everybody suspects they know the body ended up in the landfill, the landfill has been searched and nothing found.
Lets see if there is an independent enquiry before slating the actions of the Police, but this would have been a normal missing-person situation with a tragic outcome.
Everybody suspects they know the body ended up in the landfill, the landfill has been searched and nothing found.
Lets see if there is an independent enquiry before slating the actions of the Police, but this would have been a normal missing-person situation with a tragic outcome.
crankedup said:
danllama said:
Based on the incompetence seen of the police so far, it wouldn't surprise me if he is there but they've "looked" and didn't find him.
He could well be mashed up in the lorry.
He would almost without doubt have been crushed by the lorry mechanism. However his body or remains should be easily identifiable. The Police are taking. financial decision to stop looking for his body, the decision is not based upon likelihood or otherwise of positive identification of remains He could well be mashed up in the lorry.
This represents a disgusting betrayal of the family imo
At some point you have to re-allocate limited resources. Look at the Maddy McCann case as a good (yet tragically sad) case and the resources allocated to it. It's brutal, but always in these kind of cases, at some point a call has to be made to say enough is enough. It will not be closed, just the resources allocated to it will be limited.
Brutal, but reality...IMHO.
The Surveyor said:
Everybody suspects they know the body ended up in the landfill, the landfill has been searched and nothing found.
an extensive amount, but not all of the landfill has been searched, no? As I see it this is a complete needle in a haystack job, Suffolk Police have spent an extensive amount of time and money but ultimately are unable to search the entire site.
Police know the area that needs to be searched, in approximate terms, it is in no way a. axe of searching the whole site. Police have found material in thier search area which directly links the material to the dateline and area that Corrie was last seen.
Apparently the family have secured an assurance that the search area will not be refilled until the police case review is complete.
Apparently the family have secured an assurance that the search area will not be refilled until the police case review is complete.
crankedup said:
Police know the area that needs to be searched, in approximate terms, it is in no way a. axe of searching the whole site. Police have found material in thier search area which directly links the material to the dateline and area that Corrie was last seen.
Apparently the family have secured an assurance that the search area will not be refilled until the police case review is complete.
So they searched the area the waste from the location was found in and he's not there?Apparently the family have secured an assurance that the search area will not be refilled until the police case review is complete.
What now?
crankedup said:
The money is not a good enough reason to leave this lads body in landfill.
I disagree, even though utter incompetence from the police is the reason the body hasn't been found - there's no point throwing away money searching for his body if it's unlikely to be found anytime soon. He's in the landfill site, anything else is incredibly improbable and there's no evidence to point them anywhere else. The case is all but solved, it's sad the family won't get a body but that can't continually be funded at the expense of delivering justice ans safety to others. Raygun said:
What makes it so certain he ended up at the landfill site?
It seems strange the workers didn't see any trace of a body nor the police.
Nobody entered or left the area except for a garbage truck. His phone was traced along the route of the garbage truck all the way to the landfill. This isn't an episode of Jonathan CreekIt seems strange the workers didn't see any trace of a body nor the police.
BJG1 said:
Raygun said:
What makes it so certain he ended up at the landfill site?
It seems strange the workers didn't see any trace of a body nor the police.
Nobody entered or left the area except for a garbage truck. His phone was traced along the route of the garbage truck all the way to the landfill. This isn't an episode of Jonathan CreekIt seems strange the workers didn't see any trace of a body nor the police.
coyft said:
The police have let the family down enough with their incompetence.
It now seems particularly cruel to give up the search.
The police have already spent ~50 times more than an average missing-person search on this case.It now seems particularly cruel to give up the search.
There is not an endless pot of money.
If there is any more money to be spent, it should be on investigating the poor start to the search when the plod mostly overlooked the obvious bin lorry, and ensure similar mistakes don't happen again in future similar cases.
The Mad Monk said:
coyft said:
The police have let the family down enough with their incompetence.
It now seems particularly cruel to give up the search.
So how long do you think the police should continue to search for?It now seems particularly cruel to give up the search.
A month?
A year?
5 Years?
Come on, give us a clue!
Each case must merit certain criteria x expenditure, would the status of an individual make a difference to the equation.
As somebody mentioned earlier, Suffolk Police are a small force with small budget. On this basis does this mean that those persons who go missing from Suffolk are afforded less priority and budget as opposed to somebody in the Manchester Authority area for example.
That aside, the Police are satisfied that they are searching /were searching the correct location of the landfill, in which case it begs the question of how much landfill is left to search whilst within the search area identified as correct by the Police, and how long will it take for that area to be searched.
coyft said:
The Mad Monk said:
coyft said:
The police have let the family down enough with their incompetence.
It now seems particularly cruel to give up the search.
So how long do you think the police should continue to search for?It now seems particularly cruel to give up the search.
A month?
A year?
5 Years?
Come on, give us a clue!
I presume that waste has been moved around the site in the months before they started the search.
Perhaps an admission from the police that their delay in searching the site has resulted in it now being impossible to find. That coupled with the resignation of those responsible might be a start.
With no further lines of enquiry or any proof of life it'll be filed pending anything else coming to light like thousands of other missing person enquires.
coyft said:
Greendubber said:
You presuming means nothing. They have searched the area containing the waste from the area he was seen entering and he's not in it, how do you propose a body has moved to another area?
With no further lines of enquiry or any proof of life it'll be filed pending anything else coming to light like thousands of other missing person enquires.
We may never know. With no further lines of enquiry or any proof of life it'll be filed pending anything else coming to light like thousands of other missing person enquires.
What is certain, is that if they had searched the site within the first week they would know for sure.
The supposed experts in bin collection advised he couldn't have been in the bin didn't they?
Greendubber said:
Would we?
The supposed experts in bin collection advised he couldn't have been in the bin didn't they?
and the supposed experts in missing person's investigations took this to be an indisputable truth rather than questioning if the lorry only carrying 1kg of rubbish might possibly be a mistake? Complete incompetence on the part of the police.The supposed experts in bin collection advised he couldn't have been in the bin didn't they?
BJG1 said:
and the supposed experts in missing person's investigations took this to be an indisputable truth rather than questioning if the lorry only carrying 1kg of rubbish might possibly be a mistake? Complete incompetence on the part of the police.
It was never stated as being 1kg, but all the same, the police sought information from the people who would know it best. The police aren't bin experts. It never ceases to amaze me when people demand resignations over honest mistakes - and it wasn't even a mistake on the part of the police.Mastodon2 said:
It was never stated as being 1kg, but all the same, the police sought information from the people who would know it best. The police aren't bin experts. It never ceases to amaze me when people demand resignations over honest mistakes - and it wasn't even a mistake on the part of the police.
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