How Big Is The Fake News Problem?

[rscott]

Doesn't help when the MSM fall for obvious fake news - https://www.thecanary.co/2017/04/22/sun-just-fell-...

[BlackLabel]

[andy_s]

From the Grenfell thread:

andy_s said:

FurtiveFreddy said:

Lovely example of the press at it's headline-grabbing best here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gre...

5 out of 6 were either unfazed or positive, one old bat doesn't like 'that sort'; headline? "Kensington residents express dismay" Did they even read their own article/video?

[scherzkeks]

CNN retracts latest fake news blockbuster.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-24/cnn-delet...

[grumbledoak]

scherzkeks said:

CNN retracts latest fake news blockbuster.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-24/cnn-delet...

The Twitter replies (font size, time of night, existence of editorial standards) are brilliant:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/878460185559400448/

[Mr GrimNasty]

Numerous fake stories probably influenced the last UK election, 90% generated by the lefty twitter mob with direct links to the Corbyn machine and intended to smear the Tories.

But there is no uproar, strange.

[Don]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Numerous fake stories probably influenced the last UK election, 90% generated by the lefty twitter mob with direct links to the Corbyn machine and intended to smear the Tories.

But there is no uproar, strange.

This is because, at the next election, the Conservative party will unleash a social media spin department producing election bullst ten thousand strong. Largely made up of paid, professional Russian mobsters.

Labour will do the same, except they'll use teenagers in Newcastle.

Neither wants you to know this, as you might call bullst.

But if you think the fake-news-bullst was bad last time, I can assure you it will be off the scale at the next one.

[jmorgan]

Don said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Numerous fake stories probably influenced the last UK election, 90% generated by the lefty twitter mob with direct links to the Corbyn machine and intended to smear the Tories.

But there is no uproar, strange.

This is because, at the next election, the Conservative party will unleash a social media spin department producing election bullst ten thousand strong. Largely made up of paid, professional Russian mobsters.

Labour will do the same, except they'll use teenagers in Newcastle.

Neither wants you to know this, as you might call bullst.

But if you think the fake-news-bullst was bad last time, I can assure you it will be off the scale at the next one.

I wouldn't credit the cons with having the ability to think of that....... they will still be nice but dim.

[andy_s]

Don said:

This is because, at the next election, the Conservative party will unleash a social media spin department producing election bullst ten thousand strong. Largely made up of paid, professional Russian mobsters.

Labour will do the same, except they'll use teenagers in Newcastle.

Neither wants you to know this, as you might call bullst.

But if you think the fake-news-bullst was bad last time, I can assure you it will be off the scale at the next one.

I wonder how far the bullstting can be pushed, judging from some of the 'commenty' type people, quite far I'd imagine. At some point the blinkers must drop off the audience of this x-factoresque gangfkery though - shurely the vox pop are going to become enlightened at some stage...?

^ This is an apolitical mini-rant brought to you by #omnishambles #roadtodamascus

[scherzkeks]

CNN producer admits Russia stories are for ratings, no proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE


Stating the obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. But straight from the horse's mouth this time.

[rscott]

scherzkeks said:

CNN producer admits Russia stories are for ratings, no proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE


Stating the obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. But straight from the horse's mouth this time.

Former CNN producer you mean? Wasn't he one of the 3 who resigned over a retracted story. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/27/cnn...

And using Project Veritas as a reliable source . Remind me again, what did they find in their 100 hours of CNN audio recordings they made a big song & dance about?

[Europa1]

Interesting piece on the Today programme this morning on the breakdown in trust towards the mainstream media among certain sections of the community following the Grenfell Tower disaster - starts at about 1:43:55 in : http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08vwmzs#play (warning: contains Lily Allen and David Lammy content). Phrases like "I get more information from Facebook...." and "even papers like the Guardian, supposedly a reputable source of news" are worrying to a middle aged bod from the shires like me.

[scherzkeks]

rscott said:

scherzkeks said:

CNN producer admits Russia stories are for ratings, no proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE


Stating the obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. But straight from the horse's mouth this time.

Former CNN producer you mean? Wasn't he one of the 3 who resigned over a retracted story. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/27/cnn...

And using Project Veritas as a reliable source . Remind me again, what did they find in their 100 hours of CNN audio recordings they made a big song & dance about?

CNN retracting yet another phony story, and now a producer admits the Russian canard is fake news ginned up for ratings -- on tape.

Rscott hits cognitive dissonance level 11.

[rscott]

scherzkeks said:

rscott said:

scherzkeks said:

CNN producer admits Russia stories are for ratings, no proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE


Stating the obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. But straight from the horse's mouth this time.

Former CNN producer you mean? Wasn't he one of the 3 who resigned over a retracted story. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/27/cnn...

And using Project Veritas as a reliable source . Remind me again, what did they find in their 100 hours of CNN audio recordings they made a big song & dance about?

CNN retracting yet another phony story, and now a producer admits the Russian canard is fake news ginned up for ratings -- on tape.

Rscott hits [b]cognitive dissonancep/b] level 11.

whoo-hoo I got bingo on my scherzkeks bingo card.

[Atomic12C]

Fake news seem to be unrolling the umbrella to cover a number of elements of what used to be classed as 'news'.

The likes of the BBC, SKY, CH4 etc. are quite obviously left leaning (to the point they'll fall over soon), and most of the news voiced by the MSM is actually very opinionated.
Of course this has always been the case but especially over the past decade or so when politics and vested interests became entangled with the Man-made global warming theory, the TV news opinion programs have become very polarized on issues and their agenda is pushed quite heavily.

But in the past 5 years social media has developed in to a news/opinion platform by which fake content (or heavily biased content) is pushed out relentlessly.

For example, anyone that has "news feed" apps on their mobile or on their laptops will have noticed the huge amount of one-sided issues that are pushed out on a daily basis. These are primarily done by 'media bots'.

"Media bots" are said to have influenced the EU referendum, and they are said to have played a large part in promoting corbyn to 'cult' status as students who should be at uni play a lot on their phones and constantly read and sup up the "media bot" content


I also noticed recently on the BBC an opinion program that had three from the left vs one from the right (the usual line of 'balance' that the BBC present), whereby the left were spouting out "facts" about this that and the other. The guy on the right actually had the statistics/data and countered all of them as false.
BBC of course didn't pick up on this and the presenter gave little air time to the right, instead focusing back to the left and back to their 'facts'.


So "fakeness" is everywhere and it is becoming harder to find what is actually fact these days.

In my opinion, TV media should be more stringently held to account for the bullshyte they spout.
And the likes of facebook should filter out "media bot" content.

[Sylvaforever]

scherzkeks said:

Rscott hits cognitive dissonance level 11*100

EFA

[The Don of Croy]

Europa1 said:

Interesting piece on the Today programme this morning on the breakdown in trust towards the mainstream media among certain sections of the community following the Grenfell Tower disaster - starts at about 1:43:55 in : http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08vwmzs#play (warning: contains Lily Allen and David Lammy content). Phrases like "I get more information from Facebook...." and "even papers like the Guardian, supposedly a reputable source of news" are worrying to a middle aged bod from the shires like me.

Was that the piece where iirc the BBC media correspondent (and ex-editor of the Indie?) stated that Lily Allen "spoke for many" which is a nice way of legitimising her.

amongst 'fake news' is it true that Glasto is 'the World's biggest festival'? Seems unlikely...

[scherzkeks]

Now seems like the appropriate time to haul out this CNN classic:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ObbTX_nMGk

[hairykrishna]

The Don of Croy said:

amongst 'fake news' is it true that Glasto is 'the World's biggest festival'? Seems unlikely...

As with many of this things, it depends on your definition of 'biggest'. In terms of attendance some one offs have obviously been a lot bigger. For a regular festival, on a green field site rather than a city 'festival', I think it's the biggest. Some others claim higher attendance but that's only because they add up all of the the attendance on multiple days; their on site caps on amount of people are much lower. If I remember correctly there's 135k normal tickets for glastonbury with another 50k or so for people who are working or volunteering for some of the time.

I'd guess it's not the biggest in terms of physical area, although it is massive. It's ~1000 acres. I think burning man's 4000 or so and there are probably other big ones.

[Zod]

rxe said:

So who do you believe?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/08/fake-ne...

Not breitbart. The whole story appears to be based on fireworks being let off in public on NYE, which is normal in Düsseldorf and just about every other city on the Continent.