Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
F---Knuckle said:
robinessex said:
To end though, we still will need back up sources for the day(s) we have no wind!!!
And there's the rub and the reason that the industrial revolution could not happen with just windmills and watermills.
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
F---Knuckle said:
robinessex said:
To end though, we still will need back up sources for the day(s) we have no wind!!!
And there's the rub and the reason that the industrial revolution could not happen with just windmills and watermills.F---Knuckle said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
F---Knuckle said:
robinessex said:
To end though, we still will need back up sources for the day(s) we have no wind!!!
And there's the rub and the reason that the industrial revolution could not happen with just windmills and watermills.So today as a political statement of more stupidity the grid tried to run without coal and all the usual MSM will be spouting on about the rise of renewables.
What they don't tell you is that under extremely low demand conditions wind and solar contributed about 15%.
There was sufficient headroom that all the renewables were superfluous too, if someone had wanted to make the statement that renewables are completely pointless.
Of course what has actually happened is a shift to gas and biomass converted coal stations - the latter being environmental insanity personified.
It is not a renewables success story at all. It just shows how futile they are.
And just by coincidence, of course, we had our first power-cut in years today - I wonder why!
What they don't tell you is that under extremely low demand conditions wind and solar contributed about 15%.
There was sufficient headroom that all the renewables were superfluous too, if someone had wanted to make the statement that renewables are completely pointless.
Of course what has actually happened is a shift to gas and biomass converted coal stations - the latter being environmental insanity personified.
It is not a renewables success story at all. It just shows how futile they are.
And just by coincidence, of course, we had our first power-cut in years today - I wonder why!
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Many on here watch and laugh at that daily 
kknuckle?Paddy_N_Murphy said:
why?
Just had a look and wind is producing 1.3gw out of a potential 8gw,not really keeping the lights on is it? Then we come to energy security , we are receiving 3gw from the continent,what if they decide to cut the supply as the French did in the past to Italy during a very hot summer, then the biomass is maxed out 2gw, biomass that is only viable using waste wood at a lumber yard, definitely not when you ship it half way round the world, the whole thing is a joke a bad joke.Paddy_N_Murphy said:
PRTVR said:
Just had a look and wind is producing 1.3gw out of a potential 8gw,not really keeping the lights on is it? Then we come to energy security , we are receiving 3gw from the continent,what if they decide to cut the supply as the French did in the past to Italy during a very hot summer, then the biomass is maxed out 2gw, biomass that is only viable using waste wood at a lumber yard, definitely not when you ship it half way round the world, the whole thing is a joke a bad joke.
No worse than Shipping coal from China or South America, Gas from Russia ?Anyway whilst the graphics of that website give a good impression you will see that (when you hover a mouse) over the Dial for wind power it does state the number is only for the 'Metered' turbines, and the output is much higher (30%) which then throws up the query of how does that website work - because if the true wind value input was more we'd have more than 100%
That's also why I added the link to the paper and as I've mentioned before - generally the output is assumed at 40% for wind farms once you take all things in to account.
So the greater the total available, that 40% becomes more and fills the requirements.
I asked him his views on the UK converting coal to wood, he laughed again and said they thought it must be the after effects of mad cow disease.
The greater the number of wind turbines makes the problem worse, if the wind isn't blowing it matters not how many you have, the more you have leads to other problems, if the winds blowing in the early morning when energy is not required we have to pay to shut them down, pushing up electricity costs, not a good thing for anybody.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
As previously - look at any Weather forecast for the UK, Europe. Out 100miles to sea.
Is it ever still, everywhere at the same time ? No.
There is always wind blowing, in different places as the Low's and Highs pass over - if we have a spread across, you'll always have generation 'somewhere'
But having wind producing somewhere on the continent doesn't help, if it's still on the continent but not here we do not have excess to give away, you would need massive numbers of turbines or one coal fired power station, what makes more sense ?Is it ever still, everywhere at the same time ? No.
There is always wind blowing, in different places as the Low's and Highs pass over - if we have a spread across, you'll always have generation 'somewhere'
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
PRTVR said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
As previously - look at any Weather forecast for the UK, Europe. Out 100miles to sea.
Is it ever still, everywhere at the same time ? No.
There is always wind blowing, in different places as the Low's and Highs pass over - if we have a spread across, you'll always have generation 'somewhere'
But having wind producing somewhere on the continent doesn't help, if it's still on the continent but not here we do not have excess to give away, you would need massive numbers of turbines or one coal fired power station, what makes more sense ?Is it ever still, everywhere at the same time ? No.
There is always wind blowing, in different places as the Low's and Highs pass over - if we have a spread across, you'll always have generation 'somewhere'
Economic sense or other sense!
Generally folks aren't fans of big power stations being built near by, and the infrastructure they demand (trains / motorways) are not cheap.
When was the last coal fired power station built in the U.K?
Edited by dickymint on Saturday 22 April 11:33
I know, lets follow the Australians
SA loses power in another wind farm fail
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/sa-l...
Business blows up as turbines suck more power than they generate
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/b...
We don’t know why South Australia’s wind farms stopped working, so hold off on the blame game
http://theconversation.com/we-dont-know-why-south-...
SA loses power in another wind farm fail
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/sa-l...
Business blows up as turbines suck more power than they generate
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/b...
We don’t know why South Australia’s wind farms stopped working, so hold off on the blame game
http://theconversation.com/we-dont-know-why-south-...
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
As previously - look at any Weather forecast for the UK, Europe. Out 100miles to sea.
Is it ever still, everywhere at the same time ? No.
There is always wind blowing, in different places as the Low's and Highs pass over - if we have a spread across, you'll always have generation 'somewhere'
We've had a high pressure zone stuck over the UK for almost the last month. Hence almost zero wind. I take my daughter to the station every morning and do the return trip in the evening. The windy thing I go past hasn't been working once in the last month. Good job it wasn't in January when we'd need extra heating at home!Is it ever still, everywhere at the same time ? No.
There is always wind blowing, in different places as the Low's and Highs pass over - if we have a spread across, you'll always have generation 'somewhere'
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
As previously - look at any Weather forecast for the UK, Europe. Out 100miles to sea.
Is it ever still, everywhere at the same time ? No.
There is always wind blowing, in different places as the Low's and Highs pass over - if we have a spread across, you'll always have generation 'somewhere'
Not really true though is it? persistent high pressure systems are a regular feature of winter in western europe, while they're overhead there is very little wind anywhere.Is it ever still, everywhere at the same time ? No.
There is always wind blowing, in different places as the Low's and Highs pass over - if we have a spread across, you'll always have generation 'somewhere'
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
I've not once advocated that wind is the total answer and only contribute to the thread to debunk the twaddle spoken on subjects several here are I'll informed on.
And once again I see repetition that because some see a 2MW land based WTG at stand still the whole industry is thus a failure
I saw a car broken down the other day.
I also see juvenile exclamation marks returning
Re 'the industry is a failure' No comment on the Australian fiasco I note !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And once again I see repetition that because some see a 2MW land based WTG at stand still the whole industry is thus a failure
I saw a car broken down the other day.
I also see juvenile exclamation marks returning
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