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Is Northen Ireland a lost course.Resignations by politicians Catholic and Protestants don't or won't get on.
Maybe a United Ireland is the answer we just lost lots of money on a heating fuel scam which the U.K taxpayer be footing the bill for.
The history of N Ireland is very turbulent but never has been a part of the U.K in my opinion.
Maybe a United Ireland is the answer we just lost lots of money on a heating fuel scam which the U.K taxpayer be footing the bill for.
The history of N Ireland is very turbulent but never has been a part of the U.K in my opinion.
pim said:
Is Northen Ireland a lost course.Resignations by politicians Catholic and Protestants don't or won't get on.
Maybe a United Ireland is the answer we just lost lots of money on a heating fuel scam which the U.K taxpayer be footing the bill for.
The history of N Ireland is very turbulent but never has been a part of the U.K in my opinion.
The reason for the lack of response to your post is simple - as a leading Loyalist community member claimed a few weeks ago "the British don't care". Never was a truer word spoken. Most people on the mainland don't understand the problems, don't know the history, and are quite happy to let Westminster just get on with whatever it is they do. A case of brushing it under the carpet.Maybe a United Ireland is the answer we just lost lots of money on a heating fuel scam which the U.K taxpayer be footing the bill for.
The history of N Ireland is very turbulent but never has been a part of the U.K in my opinion.
A united Ireland will not happen. End of. If it ever does, it'll be another 100 years in the future. A little thing called democracy causes a problem to your suggestion - even some catholics voted to remain in the UK, and the referendum has to be honoured. I can see Scotland calling for a second vote if the UK's economy slumps in the next few years, and maybe Westminster would consider taking on NI as part of Scotland's imposition. Again, another vote in NI and they'd probably want to stay where the money is - twas ever thus.
There's been another cry from Ulster - we've been lumbered with Brexit and austerity measures and why can't we be let off these? Simple, me buckos - you vote to be part of the UK, you have to act as part of the UK. Can't have it both ways.
nicanary said:
A little thing called democracy causes a problem to your suggestion - even some catholics voted to remain in the UK, and the referendum has to be honoured. I can see Scotland calling for a second vote if the UK's economy slumps in the next few years, and maybe Westminster would consider taking on NI as part of Scotland's imposition. Again, another vote in NI and they'd probably want to stay where the money is - twas ever thus.
WTF are you talking about? You havnt a clue do you!?Lost course?
If you are implying they have lost their way - I'm not sure they ever found it.
I actually think the new young generation coming through are going to save the place. Once the old dinosaurs (like McGuinness et al) have all shuffled off into retirement or beyond, I think younger people coming through have far less historic hang-ups and baggage to carry around.
If you are implying they have lost their way - I'm not sure they ever found it.
I actually think the new young generation coming through are going to save the place. Once the old dinosaurs (like McGuinness et al) have all shuffled off into retirement or beyond, I think younger people coming through have far less historic hang-ups and baggage to carry around.
Eric Mc said:
Lost course?
If you are implying they have lost their way - I'm not sure they ever found it.
I actually think the new young generation coming through are going to save the place. Once the old dinosaurs (like McGuinness et al) have all shuffled off into retirement or beyond, I think younger people coming through have far less historic hang-ups and baggage to carry around.
I dunno Eric, when I listen to and see the actions of the youngsters in the DUP especially, such as Paul Givan & Paul Frew and so on, they are as bitter and as backward thinking as the older generation. If you are implying they have lost their way - I'm not sure they ever found it.
I actually think the new young generation coming through are going to save the place. Once the old dinosaurs (like McGuinness et al) have all shuffled off into retirement or beyond, I think younger people coming through have far less historic hang-ups and baggage to carry around.
pim said:
Is Northen Ireland a lost course.Resignations by politicians Catholic and Protestants don't or won't get on.
Maybe a United Ireland is the answer we just lost lots of money on a heating fuel scam which the U.K taxpayer be footing the bill for.
The history of N Ireland is very turbulent but never has been a part of the U.K in my opinion.
With respect, that's not really a matter of opinion, is it?Maybe a United Ireland is the answer we just lost lots of money on a heating fuel scam which the U.K taxpayer be footing the bill for.
The history of N Ireland is very turbulent but never has been a part of the U.K in my opinion.
It isn't as simple as 'a United Ireland is the answer', either - at last count, the vast majority of Protestants didn't want that, a very sizeable majority of Catholics didn't and about 3 people south of the border wanted it.
The lack of integrated education is the main thing keeping all the s
t going.
Only around 5% of pupils goto a school with others of a different religion.
As well as that you grow up in a area that again has no other religions than yourown.
You can see the so called leaders of the paramilitries running around like they own the place seeminly untouchable apart from their own side.
Until some if not all the above changes it will be tribal politics as we have now.
t going. Only around 5% of pupils goto a school with others of a different religion.
As well as that you grow up in a area that again has no other religions than yourown.
You can see the so called leaders of the paramilitries running around like they own the place seeminly untouchable apart from their own side.
Until some if not all the above changes it will be tribal politics as we have now.
iphonedyou said:
With respect, that's not really a matter of opinion, is it?
It isn't as simple as 'a United Ireland is the answer', either - at last count, the vast majority of Protestants didn't want that, a very sizeable majority of Catholics didn't and about 3 people south of the border wanted it.
When was the "last count" when the vast majority didnt want it?It isn't as simple as 'a United Ireland is the answer', either - at last count, the vast majority of Protestants didn't want that, a very sizeable majority of Catholics didn't and about 3 people south of the border wanted it.
mrmarcus said:
When was the "last count" when the vast majority didnt want it?
There are quite a few. This one is one of the more recent.http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ir...
Edited by iphonedyou on Tuesday 10th January 19:00
iphonedyou said:
mrmarcus said:
When was the "last count" when the vast majority didnt want it?
The Belfast Telegraph's is probably the most recent. You'll need to extrapolate. There are others of course.http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ir...
6% of respondents support an immediate unification, with support rising for a poll on the matter in, say, 20 years.
http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/over-50000...
stupidbutkeen said:
The lack of integrated education is the main thing keeping all the st going.
Only around 5% of pupils goto a school with others of a different religion.
As well as that you grow up in a area that again has no other religions than yourown.
You can see the so called leaders of the paramilitries running around like they own the place seeminly untouchable apart from their own side.
Until some if not all the above changes it will be tribal politics as we have now.
I live in a predominantly loyalist area, I'm married to a Catholic, our kids (baptised in a Presbyterian church) go to a Catholic school which is full of kids from all corners of the world although I'm not sure if some of them are Catholic Muslims or Protestant Muslims. One of my kids goes to the nearest grammar which is not classed as integrated but as it's one of the top schools in the country it attracts kids from all religions. t going. Only around 5% of pupils goto a school with others of a different religion.
As well as that you grow up in a area that again has no other religions than yourown.
You can see the so called leaders of the paramilitries running around like they own the place seeminly untouchable apart from their own side.
Until some if not all the above changes it will be tribal politics as we have now.
There are 2 integrated schools nearby which are doing well.
In my cul dear sac there are Indian and Philippine families and a large number of polish/Russian/God knows what else families around.
Today's kids will be well integrated in another generation and hopefully will have different politicians to vote for apart from unionist/republican (but not the green party f
kers)iphonedyou said:
mrmarcus said:
When was the "last count" when the vast majority didnt want it?
There are quite a few. This one is one of the more recent.http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ir...
Edited by iphonedyou on Tuesday 10th January 19:00
The fact is no one knows the numbers and wont do until there ever is an actual vote on it.
mrmarcus said:
Eric Mc said:
Lost course?
If you are implying they have lost their way - I'm not sure they ever found it.
I actually think the new young generation coming through are going to save the place. Once the old dinosaurs (like McGuinness et al) have all shuffled off into retirement or beyond, I think younger people coming through have far less historic hang-ups and baggage to carry around.
I dunno Eric, when I listen to and see the actions of the youngsters in the DUP especially, such as Paul Givan & Paul Frew and so on, they are as bitter and as backward thinking as the older generation. If you are implying they have lost their way - I'm not sure they ever found it.
I actually think the new young generation coming through are going to save the place. Once the old dinosaurs (like McGuinness et al) have all shuffled off into retirement or beyond, I think younger people coming through have far less historic hang-ups and baggage to carry around.
It will never ever change sadly.
iphonedyou said:
mrmarcus said:
Another Bel Tel poll from 2015. See previous responce.
The fact is no one knows the numbers and wont do until there ever is an actual vote on it.
It isn't a Belfast Telegraph poll.The fact is no one knows the numbers and wont do until there ever is an actual vote on it.
ooo000ooo said:
stupidbutkeen said:
The lack of integrated education is the main thing keeping all the st going.
Only around 5% of pupils goto a school with others of a different religion.
As well as that you grow up in a area that again has no other religions than yourown.
You can see the so called leaders of the paramilitries running around like they own the place seeminly untouchable apart from their own side.
Until some if not all the above changes it will be tribal politics as we have now.
I live in a predominantly loyalist area, I'm married to a Catholic, our kids (baptised in a Presbyterian church) go to a Catholic school which is full of kids from all corners of the world although I'm not sure if some of them are Catholic Muslims or Protestant Muslims. One of my kids goes to the nearest grammar which is not classed as integrated but as it's one of the top schools in the country it attracts kids from all religions. t going. Only around 5% of pupils goto a school with others of a different religion.
As well as that you grow up in a area that again has no other religions than yourown.
You can see the so called leaders of the paramilitries running around like they own the place seeminly untouchable apart from their own side.
Until some if not all the above changes it will be tribal politics as we have now.
There are 2 integrated schools nearby which are doing well.
In my cul dear sac there are Indian and Philippine families and a large number of polish/Russian/God knows what else families around.
Today's kids will be well integrated in another generation and hopefully will have different politicians to vote for apart from unionist/republican (but not the green party f
kers)Yes times are changing slowly but the election that is coming our way will still be fought on mostly sectarianism lines. The one after that wil be fought the very same way and thus it will go on.
The 2 major partys has a interest in keeping the vote as a them vs us and thus until a huge step change comes about nothing will change. Totaly agree ref the greens though.
I do hear more people around my area ( BT5 so loyalist and DUP) that they wont vote DUP or just not going to vote so maybe this is that step change. Heres to hope.
Edited by stupidbutkeen on Tuesday 10th January 20:40
stupidbutkeen said:
I am glad you think it will only take another generation because I just can not see it taking so short a time.
Yes times are changing slowly but the election that is coming our way will still be fought on mostly sectarianism lines. The one after that wil be fought the very same way and thus it will go on.
The 2 major partys has a interest in keeping the vote as a them vs us and thus until a huge step change comes about nothing will change. Totaly agree ref the greens though.
I do hear more people around my area ( BT5 so loyalist and DUP) that they wont vote DUP or just not going to vote so maybe this is that step change. Heres to hope.
DUP have been made to lucky silly by backing Arlene past the point of no return when they should have told her to step down and then managed it afterwards. Yes times are changing slowly but the election that is coming our way will still be fought on mostly sectarianism lines. The one after that wil be fought the very same way and thus it will go on.
The 2 major partys has a interest in keeping the vote as a them vs us and thus until a huge step change comes about nothing will change. Totaly agree ref the greens though.
I do hear more people around my area ( BT5 so loyalist and DUP) that they wont vote DUP or just not going to vote so maybe this is that step change. Heres to hope.
Edited by stupidbutkeen on Tuesday 10th January 20:40
Marty has, as usual, played a blinder and left them flapping.
I can see the other unionist parties picking up a lot of DUP votes, maybe a few more defectors?
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