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I think this fine gentleman is deserving of his own thread.
Farron accuses labour of giving up over Brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/19/l...
That's the LibDim red line. To go against the democratic will of the people. Gor'bless progressive liberal thinking.
Farron accuses labour of giving up over Brexit.
Tim Nice But Dim said:
"We think the best thing is for Britain to stay in the European Union, and we hope to provide a vehicle, through a referendum on the terms of the deal, that allows them to do that,” Farron said. Without the promise of a public vote, he said, his party would not back any bill. “That’s our red line.”
Link:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/19/l...
That's the LibDim red line. To go against the democratic will of the people. Gor'bless progressive liberal thinking.
Evanivitch said:
hornetrider said:
That's the LibDim red line. To go against the democratic will of the people. Gor'bless progressive liberal thinking.
And we voted for the EU in '75 but we still had anti-EU parties. That's democracy.The question on the voting paper was:
'Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?'
dandarez said:
As I voted then back in '75, I think you'll find 'we' didn't vote for 'the EU' at all!
The question on the voting paper was:
'Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?'
and if it just remained a "Common Market" I suspect we would still be quite happy within it.The question on the voting paper was:
'Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?'
johnxjsc1985 said:
and if it just remained a "Common Market" I suspect we would still be quite happy within it.
Well I would have, even if the lady wife (did I really just write that? eek!) did not and to this day blames me for everything that has gone awry sinceA common market with its much vaunted ideals was exactly what I wanted in 1975 and would still satisfy me now
Shame isn't it...
technodup said:
The smelly wee runt shouldn't be given any airtime or press coverage whatsoever. He's got eight fking MPs. He's utterly irrelevant.
Bitter and irrelevant. Maybe he should join the SNP.
But he's not is he? Bitter and irrelevant. Maybe he should join the SNP.
The Conservatives are now squarely (it seems) on the side of Leaving. Their position, on the face of it, is set (maybe).
Labour are sat firmly on the fence and cannot decide which way to go. Corbyn's supressing his leave beliefs, as the official party line is to remain. However, they can't push the official line too much as they know a sizable chunk of their voters are leavers. Add to that the boundary changes that will be pushed through and they face a serious threat of not being reelected for some time. They genuinely appear to not know what to do - if we give them the benefit of the doubt they are, at best, hedging their bets.
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
Can't stand the pillock though.
Swervin_Mervin said:
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
I understand what he's trying to do, but in my view he's the ultimate no mark.I can't see him attracting many Tories or Labour leavers where it matters so I just consider him a irrelevant side show.
Yeah I don't have a problem with this. Lib Dems have always been pro-EU, he is being Pro-EU. Like all Lib Dems (except for Clegg) he has the luxury of knowing that he'll never need to deal with the consequences of his actions, so whether his position is practical or not is almost irrelevant- it lets him be all principed like Clegg was over tuition fees when he thought he'd never be called upon to enact it.
People always complain about opinion-poll politicians whose party line changes like the weather in order to stay in power, about how New Labour weren't Labour enough and how the Tories aren't Conservative anymore. Farron is being pretty unambiguous that his party is unapologetically pro-europe, pro-EU and anti Brexit. It's the clearest thing that any political party has said since the poll.
You don't have to vote for the party, but it's good to know what they stand for. How many people knew (or even know!) the Tories stood for the Snoopers Charter and the Digital Economy Act? (both of which were neutered by the Lib Dems in the previous parliament), who knows what Labour stands on anything anymore?
People always complain about opinion-poll politicians whose party line changes like the weather in order to stay in power, about how New Labour weren't Labour enough and how the Tories aren't Conservative anymore. Farron is being pretty unambiguous that his party is unapologetically pro-europe, pro-EU and anti Brexit. It's the clearest thing that any political party has said since the poll.
You don't have to vote for the party, but it's good to know what they stand for. How many people knew (or even know!) the Tories stood for the Snoopers Charter and the Digital Economy Act? (both of which were neutered by the Lib Dems in the previous parliament), who knows what Labour stands on anything anymore?
technodup said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
I understand what he's trying to do, but in my view he's the ultimate no mark.I can't see him attracting many Tories or Labour leavers where it matters so I just consider him a irrelevant side show.
85Carrera said:
technodup said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
I understand what he's trying to do, but in my view he's the ultimate no mark.I can't see him attracting many Tories or Labour leavers where it matters so I just consider him a irrelevant side show.
Not disagreeing about him being a no-mark though.
Swervin_Mervin said:
But he's not is he?
The Conservatives are now squarely (it seems) on the side of Leaving. Their position, on the face of it, is set (maybe).
Labour are sat firmly on the fence and cannot decide which way to go. Corbyn's supressing his leave beliefs, as the official party line is to remain. However, they can't push the official line too much as they know a sizable chunk of their voters are leavers. Add to that the boundary changes that will be pushed through and they face a serious threat of not being reelected for some time. They genuinely appear to not know what to do - if we give them the benefit of the doubt they are, at best, hedging their bets.
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
Makes perfect sense, and is good for British politics.The Conservatives are now squarely (it seems) on the side of Leaving. Their position, on the face of it, is set (maybe).
Labour are sat firmly on the fence and cannot decide which way to go. Corbyn's supressing his leave beliefs, as the official party line is to remain. However, they can't push the official line too much as they know a sizable chunk of their voters are leavers. Add to that the boundary changes that will be pushed through and they face a serious threat of not being reelected for some time. They genuinely appear to not know what to do - if we give them the benefit of the doubt they are, at best, hedging their bets.
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
We need a realignment of British politics so that voters get a real choice at the ballot box between parties on different sides of today's issues and not those of the 1970s.
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