Tim Farron

[B'stard Child]

esxste said:

NoNeed said:

I think he's a self-righteous prick, that feels he can tell 52% of the population that they don't know what they voted for, yet he does know what they voted for, each and every one of them. I hate those that think they know better when clearly they don't.

Two salient points:

1. The population of the UK is 65 million, and only 17.4 million voted for Leave. By my maths that makes it about 26.8% of the population.

Ahhh haven't heard that for a while

This was the Referendum result and percentages that applied

Category	EU Referendum results	% of Vote
Voted Leave	17,410,742	51.9%
Voted Remain	16,141,241	48.1%
Voted Total	33,551,983
Playing COD (Didn't Vote)	12,948,018
Total Pop	46,500,001

This is your twist on the numbers

Category	EU Referendum results	% of Vote
Voted Leave	17,410,742	29.0%
Voted remain or didn't/couldn't vote at all	42,589,258	71.0%
Total Population	60,000,000

I'm just going to add you to a list in another thread

[Fastdruid]

esxste said:

Two salient points:

1. The population of the UK is 65 million, and only 17.4 million voted for Leave. By my maths that makes it about 26.8% of the population.

Not very salient. Unless that is you are talking about giving the vote to babies and children. Shall I go ask my 5 year old what her opinion is on it?

[B'stard Child]

Fastdruid said:

esxste said:

Two salient points:

1. The population of the UK is 65 million, and only 17.4 million voted for Leave. By my maths that makes it about 26.8% of the population.

Not very salient. Unless that is you are talking about giving the vote to babies and children. Shall I go ask my 5 year old what her opinion is on it?

It's sounds good when they say it

It is of course about undermining the decision made by the electorate when asked

It is the same as the "racist attacks" element of his post but I couldn't be arsed to respond to that drivel!!

[esxste]

B'stard Child said:

Ahhh haven't heard that for a while


I'm just going to add you to a list in another thread

Fastdruid said:

Not very salient. Unless that is you are talking about giving the vote to babies and children. Shall I go ask my 5 year old what her opinion is on it?

Read the post I quoted. He directly said "52% of the population". I was correcting him.


But you'd rather let the lie persist that 52% of the population voted for Brexit, becuase it suits the agenda that its the "will of the people", when its only the will of slightly more than half of the people who were eligible to vote.

Edited by esxste on Thursday 27th April 13:29

Edited by esxste on Thursday 27th April 13:29

[Deptford Draylons]

Is saying ' smell my spaniel' a gay sex euphemism ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CAOcbaysKg

[Fastdruid]

esxste said:

But you'd rather let the lie persist that 52% of the population voted for Brexit, becuase it suits the agenda that its the "will of the people", when its only the will of slightly more than half of the people who were eligible to vote.

So more than 52% then. Because those that don't vote are saying "I can't choose, I'm good with either" so its really 68% of eligible voters want it or agree with it.

[boyse7en]

B'stard Child said:

It's sounds good when they say it

It is of course about undermining the decision made by the electorate when asked

It is the same as the "racist attacks" element of his post but I couldn't be arsed to respond to that drivel!!

To be fair, he's mathmatically correct.

[B'stard Child]

boyse7en said:

B'stard Child said:

It's sounds good when they say it

It is of course about undermining the decision made by the electorate when asked

It is the same as the "racist attacks" element of his post but I couldn't be arsed to respond to that drivel!!

To be fair, he's mathmatically correct.

So is

Category	EU Referendum results	% of Vote
Voted Leave	17,410,742
Plus Did't vote so happy either way	12,948,018	65.3%
Voted Remain	16,141,241	34.7%
Total Voting Pop	46,500,001

[Fastdruid]

B'stard Child said:

boyse7en said:

B'stard Child said:

It's sounds good when they say it

It is of course about undermining the decision made by the electorate when asked

It is the same as the "racist attacks" element of his post but I couldn't be arsed to respond to that drivel!!

To be fair, he's mathmatically correct.

So is

Category	EU Referendum results	% of Vote
Voted Leave	17,410,742
Plus Did't vote so happy either way	12,948,018	65.3%
Voted Remain	16,141,241	34.7%
Total Voting Pop	46,500,001

Just for the record I used "Voting age population" (51,356,768) rather than "Registered voters" which is why I got 68% and B'stard Child "only" got 65.3%.

[B'stard Child]

Fastdruid said:

B'stard Child said:

boyse7en said:

B'stard Child said:

It's sounds good when they say it

It is of course about undermining the decision made by the electorate when asked

It is the same as the "racist attacks" element of his post but I couldn't be arsed to respond to that drivel!!

To be fair, he's mathmatically correct.

So is

Category	EU Referendum results	% of Vote
Voted Leave	17,410,742
Plus Did't vote so happy either way	12,948,018	65.3%
Voted Remain	16,141,241	34.7%
Total Voting Pop	46,500,001

Just for the record I used "Voting age population" (51,356,768) rather than "Registered voters" which is why I got 68% and B'stard Child "only" got 65.3%.

I'm easy with that difference (point of order if you aren't registered to vote you can't vote)

I got the data from the electoral register

[esxste]

I think I might have hit a sore point.

You're fudging the figures.

NoNeed said:

<snip> he can tell 52% of the population that they don't know what they voted for </snip>

I merely pointed out that in fact only 26.8% of the population voted Leave.

And you brexiter snowflakes are fudging the figures this way and that to justify the "will of the people" agenda.

This one gets the special snowflake prize though:

Fastdruid said:

So more than 52% then. Because those that don't vote are saying "I can't choose, I'm good with either" so its really 68% of eligible voters want it or agree with it.

It's generally accepted that eligible voters who do not vote do so through apathy or tacit support for the status quo - that is they didn't want change strongly enough to go out and cast their vote for it. The status quo in this case was the UK continuing to be a member of the EU.

It's truly laughable that you're so insecure about the whole thing, you need to try to claim the non-voters are really Brexit supporters. Leave won the referendum... get over it?

[Fastdruid]

esxste said:

It's generally accepted that eligible voters who do not vote do so through apathy or tacit support for the status quo - that is they didn't want change strongly enough to go out and cast their vote for it. The status quo in this case was the UK continuing to be a member of the EU.

Now *that* is laughable, it's apathy or tacit support for the winner, *not* the status quo. Same goes for elections. If you don't vote you don't get to complain at who wins.

esxste said:

It's truly laughable that you're so insecure about the whole thing, you need to try to claim the non-voters are really Brexit supporters. Leave won the referendum... get over it?

Nope. I don't care but the fudging numbers to make out that the non-voters really supported the losing side annoys me be it the referendum or elections. It's equally valid that they supported the winning side.

The only numbers that count however are the ones that voted.

[SpeckledJim]

esxste said:

I merely pointed out that in fact only 26.8% of the population voted Leave.

Well, complete the circle and tell us what percentage of the population voted Remain.

It's a non-point you're making.

52-48 was and is the result.

[teapea]

I feel you couldn't be arsed to vote on the most important election of our generation then your opinion doesn't count.
I don't see why we need another vote because some people couldn't be bothered to vote, they wouldn't vote if we had another election anyway!

[princealbert23]

SpeckledJim said:

esxste said:

I merely pointed out that in fact only 26.8% of the population voted Leave.

Well, complete the circle and tell us what percentage of the population voted Remain.

It's a non-point you're making.

52-48 was and is the result.

What we are seeing is sophistry- and not very good sophistry at that.

[B'stard Child]

esxste said:

I merely pointed out that in fact only 26.8% of the population voted Leave.

An that population number includes people not registered to vote - I've given you the numbers above and you are disputing them - a bit weak TBH

esxste said:

And you brexiter snowflakes are fudging the figures this way and that to justify the "will of the people" agenda.

esxste said:

It's truly laughable that you're so insecure about the whole thing, you need to try to claim the non-voters are really Brexit supporters. Leave won the referendum... get over it?

Just as laughable as including non voters, not registered voters and those not reaching the required age to vote

I'm over the Result - I'm waiting to for implementation.

[Murph7355]

esxste said:

...
It's generally accepted that eligible voters who do not vote do so through apathy or tacit support for the status quo - that is they didn't want change strongly enough to go out and cast their vote for it. The status quo in this case was the UK continuing to be a member of the EU. ...

No it isn't.

If anything is generally accepted it is that those who do not vote are happy to go with the majority of those that do

As another point of order, there was no such thing as "the status quo". The EU has changed immeasurably over the 44yrs we have been members, far, far away from what was voted for in 1975. It was not going to stop and despite "vetos" and "opt outs" nobody could say what we were staying in as nobody could guarantee anything whatsoever about what shape the EU would be in over the next decade or two. The only certainty was that it would not stay the same.

esxste said:

Two salient points:

1. The population of the UK is 65 million, and only 17.4 million voted for Leave. By my maths that makes it about 26.8% of the population.

2. I think he's telling people they don't know that they're going to get what they voted for. The Leave campaign gave all sorts of promises, many of which we're still waiting to see fulfilled. The only promise I can think of that has been fulfilled so far is the promise to trigger Article 50.

Two more salient points...

1. Only 24.8% of the population voted to Remain. A whopping 75.2% of people didn't feel the case for remaining was strong enough to either vote for it or even vote at all. (Even if some weren't old enough using these numbers )

2. I don't recall any "promises" being given. It was clear to anyone and everyone that the people campaigning were not the main stay of the government and that only the government of the day could actually enact policy.

Now, the government of the day were in support of Remain and campaigning vociferously for it, and whilst doing so were issuing lots of statements of fact and promises about what would happen in the event of a Leave vote. Some of which were entirely in their gift - emergency budget? So....when it comes to promises and the Remain or Leave sides....

[B'stard Child]

Murph7355 said:

esxste said:

...
It's generally accepted that eligible voters who do not vote do so through apathy or tacit support for the status quo - that is they didn't want change strongly enough to go out and cast their vote for it. The status quo in this case was the UK continuing to be a member of the EU. ...

No it isn't.

If anything is generally accepted it is that those who do not vote are happy to go with the majority of those that do

As another point of order, there was no such thing as "the status quo". The EU has changed immeasurably over the 44yrs we have been members, far, far away from what was voted for in 1975. It was not going to stop and despite "vetos" and "opt outs" nobody could say what we were staying in as nobody could guarantee anything whatsoever about what shape the EU would be in over the next decade or two. The only certainty was that it would not stay the same.

esxste said:

Two salient points:

1. The population of the UK is 65 million, and only 17.4 million voted for Leave. By my maths that makes it about 26.8% of the population.

2. I think he's telling people they don't know that they're going to get what they voted for. The Leave campaign gave all sorts of promises, many of which we're still waiting to see fulfilled. The only promise I can think of that has been fulfilled so far is the promise to trigger Article 50.

Two more salient points...

1. Only 24.8% of the population voted to Remain. A whopping 75.2% of people didn't feel the case for remaining was strong enough to either vote for it or even vote at all. (Even if some weren't old enough using these numbers )

2. I don't recall any "promises" being given. It was clear to anyone and everyone that the people campaigning were not the main stay of the government and that only the government of the day could actually enact policy.

Now, the government of the day were in support of Remain and campaigning vociferously for it, and whilst doing so were issuing lots of statements of fact and promises about what would happen in the event of a Leave vote. Some of which were entirely in their gift - emergency budget? So....when it comes to promises and the Remain or Leave sides....

I should have put more effort in - but I made the judgement that it would be wasted effort

10/10 for the good work BTW

[esxste]

This is hilarious.

Now I know why brexiters were once upon a time called "Swivel eye loons".

I made one post correcting the point that 52% of the population did not vote for Brexit.

52% of the people who bothered to vote, voted for brexit. Brexit won.

Cue the rabid brexit brigade getting their knickers in a twist.


I refer back to the point I think I hit a nerve....

[johnxjsc1985]

esxste said:

This is hilarious.

Now I know why brexiters were once upon a time called "Swivel eye loons".

I made one post correcting the point that 52% of the population did not vote for Brexit.

52% of the people who bothered to vote, voted for brexit. Brexit won.

Cue the rabid brexit brigade getting their knickers in a twist.


I refer back to the point I think I hit a nerve....
so you deliberately tried to wind up other forum members nice.