Protesting - useful/gets things done or a waste of time?
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Greg66 said:
Fozziebear said:
Greg66 said:
The protests are by women, against the perceived threat to women's rights that is Trump.
So yes, no real surprise that PH doesn't get it.
Unless they are living in Saudi or some other Stone Age country I'm doubting they have much to worry about So yes, no real surprise that PH doesn't get it.
Didn't take long either. PH delivers again.
What exactly do you think they want to achieve?
Greg66 said:
Fozziebear said:
Greg66 said:
The protests are by women, against the perceived threat to women's rights that is Trump.
So yes, no real surprise that PH doesn't get it.
Unless they are living in Saudi or some other Stone Age country I'm doubting they have much to worry about So yes, no real surprise that PH doesn't get it.
Didn't take long either. PH delivers again.
I think it has value in letting those present feel a sense of belonging and identity with others who share their views. Over and above that, it doesn't result in changes in policy.
I remember watching the film Pride with some very Lefty friends of mine, they were all riled up at the end but didn't appreciate it when I pointed out that it's 30 years later, and gay people are still treated like s
t and the miners still lost their jobs.
I don't mind people protesting, I even think it's important to protect their right to do so. It's when they start moaning that the politicians didn't change their minds or the media didn't give it any coverage (media conspiracy, obviously) that they lose me.
Also some people seem to protest like it's a hobby, give them what they want and they'll find something else to wave a placard about tomorrow.
I remember watching the film Pride with some very Lefty friends of mine, they were all riled up at the end but didn't appreciate it when I pointed out that it's 30 years later, and gay people are still treated like s
t and the miners still lost their jobs. I don't mind people protesting, I even think it's important to protect their right to do so. It's when they start moaning that the politicians didn't change their minds or the media didn't give it any coverage (media conspiracy, obviously) that they lose me.
Also some people seem to protest like it's a hobby, give them what they want and they'll find something else to wave a placard about tomorrow.
John145 said:
I refer you to tuition fees. Protesting is a waste of time and effort.
The academic research tends to show peaceful protest in democracies or autocracies rarely works. But violent, sustained protest works fairly well (according to most research). People in power sit up and take action when they think their power is about to disappear.Jasandjules said:
Difficult to say. I would suggest Ghandi "protested"...
But in modern times, the political elite just ignore it. OF course, now with Trump elected, who knows if that will send the message...
Gandhi was a lucky leader. The Japanese completely defeated Britain (by force) in Asia in WW2, and the Asian Empire subsequently melted away from loss of troops / staff to defend it and loss of willpower to manage a big remote bureaucracy. Britain lost the will to fight. Gandhi was just in the right place at the right time after the war to nudge things along.But in modern times, the political elite just ignore it. OF course, now with Trump elected, who knows if that will send the message...
Greg66 said:
The protests are by women, against the perceived threat to women's rights that is Trump.
So yes, no real surprise that PH doesn't get it.
Are you married, have a girlfriend, whatever?So yes, no real surprise that PH doesn't get it.
Was she or anyone close, there on the protests?
Or
doing what most 'normal' people were doing today, either with their families, doing their weekly shop, reading the papers, at a footie match, washing/cleaning the car, catching up with all the things that couldn't be done during the week because like most 'normal' people (ie Joe Public) they were too f. busy working or trying to earn a living!
These ranters are in the main are not your Joe Public. If it doesn't go their way they act like the f. children that they still are. If you don't like it, hard cheese. Wait till the next time round.
500,000 in Washington today, dwarfing the crowd for the inauguration. 150,000 in Chicago and huge crowds in most US cities. My wife joined friends in Indianapolis in peaceful protest, the crowd was much larger than anticipated. I think that goes for most cities, St Louis looked huge. It won't achieve anything as far as Trump is concerned but it may be a catalyst for mobilizing people for 2018 and 2020. The girls also had a good time, so it was worthwhile from that standpoint.
unrepentant said:
500,000 in Washington today, dwarfing the crowd for the inauguration. 150,000 in Chicago and huge crowds in most US cities. My wife joined friends in Indianapolis in peaceful protest, the crowd was much larger than anticipated. I think that goes for most cities, St Louis looked huge. It won't achieve anything as far as Trump is concerned but it may be a catalyst for mobilizing people for 2018 and 2020. The girls also had a good time, so it was worthwhile from that standpoint.
unrepentant said:
500,000 in Washington today, dwarfing the crowd for the inauguration. 150,000 in Chicago and huge crowds in most US cities. My wife joined friends in Indianapolis in peaceful protest, the crowd was much larger than anticipated. I think that goes for most cities, St Louis looked huge. It won't achieve anything as far as Trump is concerned but it may be a catalyst for mobilizing people for 2018 and 2020. The girls also had a good time, so it was worthwhile from that standpoint.
unrepentant said:
500,000 in Washington today, dwarfing the crowd for the inauguration. 150,000 in Chicago and huge crowds in most US cities. My wife joined friends in Indianapolis in peaceful protest, the crowd was much larger than anticipated. I think that goes for most cities, St Louis looked huge. It won't achieve anything as far as Trump is concerned but it may be a catalyst for mobilizing people for 2018 and 2020. The girls also had a good time, so it was worthwhile from that standpoint.
So what's the point of US democracy??dandarez said:
Are you married, have a girlfriend, whatever?
Was she or anyone close, there on the protests?
Or
doing what most 'normal' people were doing today, either with their families, doing their weekly shop, reading the papers, at a footie match, washing/cleaning the car, catching up with all the things that couldn't be done during the week because like most 'normal' people (ie Joe Public) they were too f. busy working or trying to earn a living!
Married, two late teen daughters. All three of them were there. I spent the day taking one of them to rowing, running for an hour, collecting some floor tiles and lifting boards in the loft to run wiring and speaker cable. Was she or anyone close, there on the protests?
Or
doing what most 'normal' people were doing today, either with their families, doing their weekly shop, reading the papers, at a footie match, washing/cleaning the car, catching up with all the things that couldn't be done during the week because like most 'normal' people (ie Joe Public) they were too f. busy working or trying to earn a living!
dandarez said:
These ranters are in the main are not your Joe Public.
For neither the first nor the last time, you have not a fking clue what you're talking about. Stick to pointing out typos. It's what you're good for.
D-Angle said:
egor110 said:
John145 said:
I refer you to tuition fees. Protesting is a waste of time and effort.
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