Protesting - useful/gets things done or a waste of time?

Protesting - useful/gets things done or a waste of time?

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BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Patrick Stewart loves the EU so much that he chooses to live in New York.










MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

169 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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How do people think comparing real issues to fking kids books is going to change peoples minds.

"What i'm like some st books bad guy, best change my ways!!"

Also, the whole "Open borders for everybody" do people still pedal that complete idiocy?

Lance Catarmaran

24,942 posts

226 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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MrBrightSi said:
How do people think comparing real issues to fking kids books is going to change peoples minds.

"What i'm like some st books bad guy, best change my ways!!"

Also, the whole "Open borders for everybody" do people still pedal that complete idiocy?
I've asked these open borders people on several occasions if, since the idea of a country is meaningless, whether they'd be happy moving to Somalia or Afghanistan. Oddly, I've never gotten a proper reply.

Tryke3

1,609 posts

93 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Lance Catarmaran said:
MrBrightSi said:
How do people think comparing real issues to fking kids books is going to change peoples minds.

"What i'm like some st books bad guy, best change my ways!!"

Also, the whole "Open borders for everybody" do people still pedal that complete idiocy?
I've asked these open borders people on several occasions if, since the idea of a country is meaningless, whether they'd be happy moving to Somalia or Afghanistan. Oddly, I've never gotten a proper reply.
What does the EU have to do with Afghanstan or Somalia ?

B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Tryke3 said:
What does the EU have to do with Afghanstan or Somalia ?
Somalia

https://eeas.europa.eu/delegations/somalia/area/fo...

EU said:
The EU is engaged in Somalia through a comprehensive approach based on active diplomacy, support for political change, improving security, development assistance and humanitarian aid.

Somalia undertook political reforms in line with the New Deal principles for fragile states, which were agreed in 2011. The New Deal (2013-2016) has guided relations between Somalia and the EU and other international partners. A New Accountability and Partnership principles are expected to be renewed when a new Somali government will be in place in 2017.
Afghanistan

https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/headquarters-h...

EU said:
The EU has a long-term commitment to Afghanistan and its people. Its main aim is to develop Afghanistan's institutions so that the progress already made is maintained. The EU also wants to help in establishing a sustainable Afghan state.
HTH as clearly google appears to be broken for you biggrin



BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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BlackLabel said:
Correct the UK voted to leave the EU - that was the question on the ballot

There is no "Hard" or "Medium" or "Soft" Brexit just that we attempt to negotiate to leave on good terms. If that negotiation doesn't work out in the interests of both side we just leave......

MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

169 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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BlackLabel said:
Found it funny they have "MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE" but you go to their facebook and it has "BY ANY MEANS" at the end. What a stupid name for a group and the willingness for these supposedly forward thinking progressive and inclusive people to go to "any means" when they don't get their way speaks volumes.

Movement for Justice By Any Means Necessary
@movementforjustice

Don

28,377 posts

283 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Luckily they're completely irrelevant. Our Government knows this.

Let them march.

Don

28,377 posts

283 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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anonymous said:
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Shame they didn't listen. At least it hasn't led to another atrocity. Imagine the sheer merry hell if some nutjob succeeded in driving a car into their ranks? Doesn't bear thinking about on every last level.

Lance Catamaran

24,942 posts

226 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Tryke3 said:
Lance Catarmaran said:
MrBrightSi said:
How do people think comparing real issues to fking kids books is going to change peoples minds.

"What i'm like some st books bad guy, best change my ways!!"

Also, the whole "Open borders for everybody" do people still pedal that complete idiocy?
I've asked these open borders people on several occasions if, since the idea of a country is meaningless, whether they'd be happy moving to Somalia or Afghanistan. Oddly, I've never gotten a proper reply.
What does the EU have to do with Afghanstan or Somalia ?
My point was that people who think borders shouldn't exist, which is truly one of the most moronic things you could imagine, should be happy relocating to anywhere else in the world because countries shouldn't exist. I assume said people leave their doors open at night because to not let someone in would be discriminating

MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

169 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Lance Catamaran said:
Tryke3 said:
Lance Catarmaran said:
MrBrightSi said:
How do people think comparing real issues to fking kids books is going to change peoples minds.

"What i'm like some st books bad guy, best change my ways!!"

Also, the whole "Open borders for everybody" do people still pedal that complete idiocy?
I've asked these open borders people on several occasions if, since the idea of a country is meaningless, whether they'd be happy moving to Somalia or Afghanistan. Oddly, I've never gotten a proper reply.
What does the EU have to do with Afghanstan or Somalia ?
My point was that people who think borders shouldn't exist, which is truly one of the most moronic things you could imagine, should be happy relocating to anywhere else in the world because countries shouldn't exist. I assume said people leave their doors open at night because to not let someone in would be discriminating
Don't worry, even a loon like me saw exactly what you were saying.

They have lived their entire lives in the safety of our society, the wonderful western civilisation that has coddled them into wanting it's destruction. Given the choice i'd be packing my bags for Zimbabwe, i'd love to enjoy the amazing geography of that part of the world, it's not like that though is it. It's a hell hole of human suffering and the sooner they realise that is why the gates stay up the better.

Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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B'stard Child said:
BlackLabel said:
Correct the UK voted to leave the EU - that was the question on the ballot

There is no "Hard" or "Medium" or "Soft" Brexit just that we attempt to negotiate to leave on good terms. If that negotiation doesn't work out in the interests of both side we just leave......
This snowflakes poster says it all. Not a single person in the UK has had, or has been given the chance to vote on whether or not the UK should be a member of the EU.
In 1975 the UK voted to join a Europe wide trading bloc known as the EEC (and on only a tiny fraction of the information that was available to voters for the 2016 referendum)
Given that it (The EEC) changed `itself' into a COMPLETELY different animal (the EU) in 1993, (that no one in the UK was given a vote on, and that very few would have voted for) and given the fact that no similar legal challenges to those made in 2016 were made against the way it was done in 1975, it is quite possible that the UK`s membership of the EU is, and has been an illegal construct since 1993.

glazbagun

14,259 posts

196 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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I can't decide if this is an example of protests working or not working:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39398305

On one hand they must have the potential to do something because Putin banned an anti-corruption protest, and hundreds were arrested.

On the other hand, a bunch of concerned citizens got themselves arrested.

Thinking about the protests in Turkey a couple of years ago which got a lot of Turks peppersprayed and not much else, it may be that the state is now too powerful to fear the people given enough control of the media- something to think about for those who wish the Mail/Guardian dead, I guess.

MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

169 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Thought i'd add to BlackLabels great pictures from the day, with the videos of a journalist i follow. He spends a lot more time on the russia-ukraine stuff, but has been present for a few of the anti-brexit marches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx9E_EmPQuk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i_GHqDkcVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJxMJ5mr8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D79o-gzoXVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7coZmuhtTs&t=...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJrMHhTAHWE

There are a few more videos of the march and I urge you all to give them a view.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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It's funny, I couldn't work out which way the "protesting classes" were leaning pre-referendum. Wanted to know so I could vote the other way.

I thought they would be brexiteers, what with all those anti-globalisation marches back along...

oyster

12,577 posts

247 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Don said:
anonymous said:
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Shame they didn't listen. At least it hasn't led to another atrocity. Imagine the sheer merry hell if some nutjob succeeded in driving a car into their ranks? Doesn't bear thinking about on every last level.
Terrorists hate democracy and freedom of speech though.

In what way would cancelling a march/demo show that we don't give in to terrorism?

Don

28,377 posts

283 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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oyster said:
Terrorists hate democracy and freedom of speech though.

In what way would cancelling a march/demo show that we don't give in to terrorism?
A good point. But maybe a delay would have made the security forces jobs a bit easier..

Lance Catamaran

24,942 posts

226 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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But who will serve them coffee at Pret?

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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My objection to all this is the children present- they have no idea what the subject matter is about but are just holding the banner their parents have given them.

The kids should be kept out of the debate.