New speeding fines announced
Discussion
Moonhawk said:
Punishment should be broadly equivalent in impact to an individual - however fixed fines always favour the wealthy...
£100 is a broadly equivalent fine for any individual regardless of wealth. It buys them the same number of kit kats.Who's more wealthy; someone on a £50k salary with £0 in the bank and someone on £40k of dividends with £2m in the bank?
0000 said:
£100 is a broadly equivalent fine for any individual regardless of wealth. It buys them the same number of kit kats.
Who's more wealthy; someone on a £50k salary with £0 in the bank and someone on £40k of dividends with £2m in the bank?
It's equivalent in terms of the amount of things they can buy - but not in the impact on that individual, which is what I stated. £60 has much more impact on the day to day life of somebody on a low wage compared to somebody who is wealthy.Who's more wealthy; someone on a £50k salary with £0 in the bank and someone on £40k of dividends with £2m in the bank?
I agree with the second part - hence why I also commented "although it might be problematic to implement due to reasons given above". Things like this would need to be taken into account if it were ever implemented.
Moonhawk said:
It's equivalent in terms of the amount of things they can buy - but not in the impact on that individual, which is what I stated.
I don't think you can equate the impact of £100 on one individual to £1000 on another, other than in terms of what they can buy. £100 might well be a month's food to one person and £1000 to another might have no material impact.Capping it hints at that. People with cash are an easy target and the cap is just there to avoid the bad press of taking exceptional amounts of money from someone.
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
So you don't think we should have speed limits at all....just a free for all where you're expecting humans to drive at an appropriate speed for the road/conditions/vehicle/their ability?
That's a frighteningly horrible idea.
Wow - that's quite a leap from what was said.That's a frighteningly horrible idea.
Speed limits are necessary - however speeding is made out to be a much bigger problem than it actually is (and is being made to look worse by the constant lowering of limits around the country - despite cars being much more capable).
According to the department for transport statistics, speeding is implicated in only 5% of accidents involving death or serious injury (and many of those cases will have also involved other injurious actions for which speed enforcement/fines would not be effective - e.g. joyriding, stolen vehicle etc).
So we've got increased speeding fines, a blanket speed limit reduction on the M1, and increased road tax for expensive cars all coming out together.
I guess this was the "end of the war on the motorist" which they talked about. The end because they'll have finally f
ked us into the dirt.
s.
I guess this was the "end of the war on the motorist" which they talked about. The end because they'll have finally f
ked us into the dirt.s.Moonhawk said:
Punishment should be broadly equivalent in impact to an individual - however fixed fines always favour the wealthy (£60 to a premiership footballer or a senior executive is pocket change - whereas to somebody on minimum wage it represents about 20% of their weekly salary).
But isn't that what points are for? It's a universal and impacts everyone equally. Money should not come into it.Shall I leave this here??
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nt-open-speed-l...
Speed is NOT the problem. Fatigue and drivers being taught that providing you are under the speed limit you are driving safely IS.
Speed is simply an excuse to make money off motorists. I am fed up to the back teeth of all the lies by the government, police and road safety campaign groups who have zero understanding of how the roads system and people work.
Note in the case of the Northern Territories people mostly drove at a limit where they felt comfortable which was around 140kmh or 80mph. The same stats can be found on the German autobahn.
Likewise the number of accidents and deaths reduced.
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nt-open-speed-l...
Speed is NOT the problem. Fatigue and drivers being taught that providing you are under the speed limit you are driving safely IS.
Speed is simply an excuse to make money off motorists. I am fed up to the back teeth of all the lies by the government, police and road safety campaign groups who have zero understanding of how the roads system and people work.
Note in the case of the Northern Territories people mostly drove at a limit where they felt comfortable which was around 140kmh or 80mph. The same stats can be found on the German autobahn.
Likewise the number of accidents and deaths reduced.
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