New speeding fines announced
Discussion
frankenstein12 said:
Shall I leave this here??
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nt-open-speed-l...
Speed is NOT the problem. Fatigue and drivers being taught that providing you are under the speed limit you are driving safely IS.
Speed is simply an excuse to make money off motorists. I am fed up to the back teeth of all the lies by the government, police and road safety campaign groups who have zero understanding of how the roads system and people work.
Note in the case of the Northern Territories people mostly drove at a limit where they felt comfortable which was around 140kmh or 80mph. The same stats can be found on the German autobahn.
Likewise the number of accidents and deaths reduced.
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nt-open-speed-l...
Speed is NOT the problem. Fatigue and drivers being taught that providing you are under the speed limit you are driving safely IS.
Speed is simply an excuse to make money off motorists. I am fed up to the back teeth of all the lies by the government, police and road safety campaign groups who have zero understanding of how the roads system and people work.
Note in the case of the Northern Territories people mostly drove at a limit where they felt comfortable which was around 140kmh or 80mph. The same stats can be found on the German autobahn.
Likewise the number of accidents and deaths reduced.
Some people just don't want to understand the issue!
pablo said:
Quite. If only there was something we could do to avoid speeding tickets?....
Oh the whole "don't speed!" argumentLet's just assume that
1) speed is actually a contributing factor in most accidents (it's not)
2) speed limits and speed limit changes are always clearly posted (they're not)
3) speed limits are always appropriately set for the road conditions and typical traffic (they're not)
4) speed limits are not policed in such a way to try and trap members of the public, for example setting up camera 200yards into a 30 zone from a national speed limit )
it's a revenue stream, that is all
100 mph on a clean, dry, empty motorway is perfectly safe.
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
It's OK - I get it.
Speeding is ONE of the many many problems (I think we can agree that's it's at least one of the problems, right?).
No. Why is it a 'problem'? Who says it is a 'problem'?Speeding is ONE of the many many problems (I think we can agree that's it's at least one of the problems, right?).
Dr Doofenschmirtz said:
People who I assume know better than me, are always saying that speed is a contributory factor in many accidents.
Contributory factor? Maybe you (and they) are getting confused between excessive speed and speeding?Many accidents? Evidence suggests otherwise.
crankedup said:
This money collecting for traffic offences is purely tax for being naughty. IMO speeding should be dealt with as now, fine and points on licence. Losing the driving license hurts more than a financial penalty imo. Review the points tally system
Actually while I agree to a degree I also disagree. I think in terms of speeding we do need to look at derestricting the motorway network as they did in Aus as people will mostly stick to 70-80mph anyway.What we then need is harsher penalties for causing an accident which in some cases is pretty clear cut such as if you rear end someone. I think we need a system in place whereby drivers who are involved in an accident on a motorway are made to go on an advanced driver training course at their cost or face 6 points and a fine of 100% of weekly income.
If you then have another accident within a 2 year timeframe your license is suspended for a month and you have to do an advanced driver training course and re test.
If caught driving without a license you should receive a 2 year suspended sentence for 2 years. The sentence should be fully enforced.
Something along those lines anyway. I am not so interested in enforcing speed limits. I would much rather we increased the number of police vehicles and enforced safe driving instead.
I forever point to the Sheppey bridge pile up form a few years ago. 100+ vehicles crashed on the bridge in heavy fog. Almost every person spoken to by the press who was involved said the same thing. "If there was a sign telling me to slow down because it was foggy I would have done".
I only saw one interview where some smart young girl said " It was my fault.I wasn't over the speed limit but I was going too fast and should have slowed down because it was foggy".
She deserved a round of applause for learning from her mistake.
sidicks said:
frankenstein12 said:
Shall I leave this here??
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nt-open-speed-l...
Speed is NOT the problem. Fatigue and drivers being taught that providing you are under the speed limit you are driving safely IS.
Speed is simply an excuse to make money off motorists. I am fed up to the back teeth of all the lies by the government, police and road safety campaign groups who have zero understanding of how the roads system and people work.
Note in the case of the Northern Territories people mostly drove at a limit where they felt comfortable which was around 140kmh or 80mph. The same stats can be found on the German autobahn.
Likewise the number of accidents and deaths reduced.
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nt-open-speed-l...
Speed is NOT the problem. Fatigue and drivers being taught that providing you are under the speed limit you are driving safely IS.
Speed is simply an excuse to make money off motorists. I am fed up to the back teeth of all the lies by the government, police and road safety campaign groups who have zero understanding of how the roads system and people work.
Note in the case of the Northern Territories people mostly drove at a limit where they felt comfortable which was around 140kmh or 80mph. The same stats can be found on the German autobahn.
Likewise the number of accidents and deaths reduced.
Some people just don't want to understand the issue!
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
People who I assume know better than me, are always saying that speed is a contributory factor in many accidents.
You can see for yourself how much of a contribution speeding makes - the DFT statistics are posted publically (see pages 85 and 86). These are the results from 2011, although there are newer reports too.https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
What you have to remember is that these causes aren't the only cause in many cases (hence why they add up to more than 100%).
For example - an accident involving speeding and a stolen car will contribute to both statistics - but in such accidents, although speeding was put down as a factor - no amount of enforcement would have prevented it.
The problem for me is - as speed limits are further reduced - the number of accidents put down to speeding will likely go up. Some limits are set unrealistically low and are therefore potentially leading to more drivers ignoring them. The governments own white paper on setting speed limits even highlights this issue and suggests that drivers speeding may very well indicate that a limit is too low. Unfortunately the dogma around speeding is such that they are likely to only every go one way.....down.
xjay1337 said:
pablo said:
Quite. If only there was something we could do to avoid speeding tickets?....
Oh the whole "don't speed!" argumentLet's just assume that
1) speed is actually a contributing factor in most accidents (it's not)
2) speed limits and speed limit changes are always clearly posted (they're not)
3) speed limits are always appropriately set for the road conditions and typical traffic (they're not)
4) speed limits are not policed in such a way to try and trap members of the public, for example setting up camera 200yards into a 30 zone from a national speed limit )
it's a revenue stream, that is all
100 mph on a clean, dry, empty motorway is perfectly safe.
2. Yes they are, learn what the limit is for different roads and pay attention to temporary signs. If you don't know assumee it's lower than you think.
3. This is irrelevant. It's the limit.
4. This too is irrelevant. In this example, they would have been others identifiers indicating a change in limit, street lights etc. There is no need to drive everywhere at the limit. The limit starts at the sign, reduce your speed before you reach it.
Guybrush said:
Over 300 billion miles a year travelled; over a million speeding fines per annum; over 45% of people exceeding our low speed limits on a regular basis. Exceeding the speed limit is not really a problem, but it's a good income opportunity.
Hardly surprising numbers when they seem to be arbitrarily reducing limits seemingly on the whim of some councillors with no reason or evidence given for doing so.Road near me, A road, it's lovely; wide, smooth, great visibility, not that busy. You could do 70 on there and it would still feel pedestrian. Nope it's a 50. And as a result it's terribly boring to drive. My mind isn't comfortable with that slowness, it doesn't feel like a natural cadence.
Most people still do 60 though.
Easy to make speeding look like a problem when many many limits are lowered needlessly.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Guybrush said:
Over 300 billion miles a year travelled; over a million speeding fines per annum; over 45% of people exceeding our low speed limits on a regular basis. Exceeding the speed limit is not really a problem, but it's a good income opportunity.
Hardly surprising numbers when they seem to be arbitrarily reducing limits seemingly on the whim of some councillors with no reason or evidence given for doing so.Road near me, A road, it's lovely; wide, smooth, great visibility, not that busy. You could do 70 on there and it would still feel pedestrian. Nope it's a 50. And as a result it's terribly boring to drive. My mind isn't comfortable with that slowness, it doesn't feel like a natural cadence.
Most people still do 60 though.
Easy to make speeding look like a problem when many many limits are lowered needlessly.
pablo said:
1. I agree, speed isn't a community factor in many accidents
Contributory? Indeed. Which should make you question why the focus on speed to the exclusion of most other causes...pablo said:
2. Yes they are, learn what the limit is for different roads and pay attention to temporary signs. If you don't know assumee it's lower than you think.
Wrong! Plenty of evidence to contradict your claim.pablo said:
3. This is irrelevant. It's the limit.
You've missed the point.pablo said:
4. This too is irrelevant. In this example, they would have been others identifiers indicating a change in limit, street lights etc. There is no need to drive everywhere at the limit. The limit starts at the sign, reduce your speed before you reach it.
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