23rd Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau

[PorkRind]

Countdown said:

....so you'd only want to move to a Country which had quite strict migration rules (meaning that they probably wouldn't let you in)?

Theyve got a points based system, you either need $250k in the bank or have a job to go to , fair enough. NOt so easy getting the IT work in Canada as they, fairly, put Canadians in such positions. If you're a tradesman/teacher etc you'd get in quite easy from what i gathered when i last looked. But importing loads of migrants from struggling countries seems to be big, maybe i could say i'm a Somalian?!

[anonymous-user]

Halb said:

Labour had 40% and the torys, 42%, but the seats were 262 and 317 respectively. Going off those numbers, I don't think labour got the good deal.

Oh one more thing if my last post didn't put you in a coma... I just ran the numbers and in the current parliament the average number of Labour votes for every seat they won is 28,015, vs the Tories who averaged 29,216 votes per seat (4% difference). To get a feel for why just look at the biggest constituency (Isle of White - Tory) with 110k voters vs. the smallest (Wirral West - Lab) with 55k voters.

[Halb]

Mothersruin said:

Fair enough. I thought there were boundary issues that they keep dodging, or was that the Lib Dems. Normal politics seems so long ago...

such a long long time ago

[Halb]

fblm said:

Oh one more thing if my last post didn't put you in a coma... I just ran the numbers and in the current parliament the average number of Labour votes for every seat they won is 28,015, vs the Tories who averaged 29,216 votes per seat (4% difference). To get a feel for why just look at the biggest constituency (Isle of White - Tory) with 110k voters vs. the smallest (Wirral West - Lab) with 55k voters.

I just came of the the coma.
The inertia of the seats go to the biggie as you say. I looked at the data, and as davros said, single issue also win big. SNP getting 50 odd seats with 22 votes, or something.
The FPTP system stinks.

[anonymous-user]

Halb said:

...as davros said, single issue also win big...

Only when it's a "local" issue. Otherwise support is spread too thin; in 2015 UKIP and Green got 3.9m and 1.1m votes respectively but SNP only got 1.4m votes and won 56 seats! Then you've got the likes of Sinn Fein and DUP with a few hundred thousand votes and a dozen MP's. I agree FPTP is a ridiculous system but I'm not sure if the alternatives, whilst seemingly 'fairer' and certainly less prone to bias, actually lead to better governance.

[Countdown]

PorkRind said:

Countdown said:

....so you'd only want to move to a Country which had quite strict migration rules (meaning that they probably wouldn't let you in)?

Theyve got a points based system, you either need $250k in the bank or have a job to go to , fair enough. NOt so easy getting the IT work in Canada as they, fairly, put Canadians in such positions. If you're a tradesman/teacher etc you'd get in quite easy from what i gathered when i last looked. But importing loads of migrants from struggling countries seems to be big, maybe i could say i'm a Somalian?!

So they have fairly strict immigration rules (which I assume is a PH “good thing”) but they also apply a humanitarian waiver? Seems perfectly reasonable to me tbh.

[Halb]

fblm said:

Only when it's a "local" issue. Otherwise support is spread too thin; in 2015 UKIP and Green got 3.9m and 1.1m votes respectively but SNP only got 1.4m votes and won 56 seats! Then you've got the likes of Sinn Fein and DUP with a few hundred thousand votes and a dozen MP's. I agree FPTP is a ridiculous system but I'm not sure if the alternatives, whilst seemingly 'fairer' and certainly less prone to bias, actually lead to better governance.

For me, fptp has no qualities to extol, and the Instant-runoff voting is the most logical from a theoretical standpoint. The biggest problem with fptp is that there is no desire to change it because it has helped to create and sustain a type of politics that encourages apathy and non use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_votin... voting

[anonymous-user]

Halb said:

For me, fptp has no qualities to extol, and the Instant-runoff voting is the most logical from a theoretical standpoint. The biggest problem with fptp is that there is no desire to change it because it has helped to create and sustain a type of politics that encourages apathy and non use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_votin... voting

As I said fptp is ridiculous to me too but are there any countries with demonstrably better governance as a result of a different system? Arguably the one time recently that we abandoned the whole representative democracy thing has lead to the most abysmal period of governance I can remember.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 26th October 02:42

[fttm]

Countdown said:

So they have fairly strict immigration rules (which I assume is a PH “good thing”) but they also apply a humanitarian waiver? Seems perfectly reasonable to me tbh.

All arse backwards here , if you want to enter via legitimate channels you need to jump through the hoops , come from a third world country and rock up to the border or further and we'll welcome you with open arms , no questions asked . God bless Justin

[Countdown]

fttm said:

Countdown said:

So they have fairly strict immigration rules (which I assume is a PH “good thing”) but they also apply a humanitarian waiver? Seems perfectly reasonable to me tbh.

All arse backwards here , if you want to enter via legitimate channels you need to jump through the hoops , come from a third world country and rock up to the border or further and we'll welcome you with open arms , no questions asked . God bless Justin

How do you rock up at the border? Surely getting in via the US or Alaska is even harder?

Anyway the solution sounds simple - just travel to Canada via AIr Somalia.....

[PRTVR]

Countdown said:

fttm said:

Countdown said:

So they have fairly strict immigration rules (which I assume is a PH “good thing”) but they also apply a humanitarian waiver? Seems perfectly reasonable to me tbh.

All arse backwards here , if you want to enter via legitimate channels you need to jump through the hoops , come from a third world country and rock up to the border or further and we'll welcome you with open arms , no questions asked . God bless Justin

How do you rock up at the border? Surely getting in via the US or Alaska is even harder?

Anyway the solution sounds simple - just travel to Canada via AIr Somalia.....

You would have to black up first.

[Halb]

fblm said:

As I said fptp is ridiculous to me too but are there any countries with demonstrably better governance as a result of a different system? Arguably the one time recently that we abandoned the whole representative democracy thing has lead to the most abysmal period of governance I can remember.

Edited by fblm on Saturday 26th October 02:42

better' is difficult to quantify. First thing I'd think though, that greater participation would be in the criteria for 'better.' Lethargy doesn't get us anywhere, like a frog in a pan being warmed slowly, fptp has been slowly getting warmer.

[Pesty]

Interesting video.

Funny how commies naturally gravitate to police states.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V__GmSk24qw

[dudleybloke]

Pesty said:

Interesting video.

Funny how commies naturally gravitate to police states.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V__GmSk24qw

Bloody hell.

I'm no fan of rebel media but this is like something out of the NAZI playbook.
Certainly shows what kind of a man is running the country.

[gregs656]

Hyperbolic libellous writer gets pulled in after writing a book on a prominent politician. Is this news?

IDK, this kind of feels like the stuff that people want to happen before someone gets shot and they say 'why didn't the security services know about them'.

[Countdown]

Pesty said:

Interesting video.

Funny how commies naturally gravitate to police states.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V__GmSk24qw

If Canada was really a “Police State” he’d be having electrodes applied to his balls as part of the interview. He’s a vile odious prick (IMO) and I thought the people interviewing him came across as extremely patient.

Anyway, if he doesn’t like Canada he can always FO somewhere.

Ps. Don’t forget to donate. He’ll need a new source of income now that Tommy’s teat has run dry.

[768]

Countdown said:

If Canada was really a “Police State” he’d be having electrodes applied to his balls as part of the interview.

I'm glad you're not the one who draws the line.

I don't know anything about the guy, but it looks a mess. Canada seems to be losing it's st.

[Murph7355]

768 said:

Countdown said:

If Canada was really a “Police State” he’d be having electrodes applied to his balls as part of the interview.

I'm glad you're not the one who draws the line. ...

Me too. Softies like that will make no positive change at all

[dudleybloke]

gregs656 said:

Hyperbolic libellous writer gets pulled in after writing a book on a prominent politician. Is this news?

IDK, this kind of feels like the stuff that people want to happen before someone gets shot and they say 'why didn't the security services know about them'.

It should be news in a democracy.

Sounds very much like a public servant trying to act like nobility.

[Davos123]

Jesus Christ, he's not been arrested and locked up without trial - he's being investigated for breaking election laws, specifically:

"Canada Elections Act defines “third party” as a group engaging in partisan activity, “that promotes or opposes a registered party or eligible party or the election of a potential candidate, nomination contestant, candidate or leader of a registered party.”"

His advertising of the book mimicked political campaigning - here's one of those ads.



I think it's perfectly fair that there is an open question as to whether their 'marketing' breached the above law and strayed into political campaigning (specifically opposing a registered party).