tesla , the future ?
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in light of myron ebell's recent comments on the level of subsidy afforded elon musk i think it is possible there may be a lot less american tax payer cash heading his way in the near future. as cash flow already appears to be a problem http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2016/10/31/... could this be the beginning of the end for tesla ?
Reuters said:
TESLA fires 400 employees. The beginning of the end?
Luxury electric vehicle maker Tesla Inc fired about 400 employees this
week, including associates, team leaders and supervisors, a former
employee told Reuters on Friday.
The dismissals were a result of a company-wide annual review, Tesla
said in an emailed statement, without confirming the number of
employees leaving the company.
”It‘s about 400 people ranging from associates to team leaders to
supervisors. We don‘t know how high up it went" said the former
employee, who worked on the assembly line and did not want to be
identified.
Though Tesla cited performance as the reason for the firings, the
source told Reuters he was fired in spite of never having been given a
bad review.
The Palo Alto, California-based company said earlier in the month that
”production bottlenecks• had left Tesla behind its planned ramp-up for
the new Model 3 mass-market sedan.
The company delivered 220 Model 3 sedans and produced 260 during the
third quarter. In July, it began production of the Model 3, which
starts at $35,000 — half the starting price of the Model S.
Mercury News had earlier reported about the firing of hundreds of
employees by Tesla in the past week.
Luxury electric vehicle maker Tesla Inc fired about 400 employees this
week, including associates, team leaders and supervisors, a former
employee told Reuters on Friday.
The dismissals were a result of a company-wide annual review, Tesla
said in an emailed statement, without confirming the number of
employees leaving the company.
”It‘s about 400 people ranging from associates to team leaders to
supervisors. We don‘t know how high up it went" said the former
employee, who worked on the assembly line and did not want to be
identified.
Though Tesla cited performance as the reason for the firings, the
source told Reuters he was fired in spite of never having been given a
bad review.
The Palo Alto, California-based company said earlier in the month that
”production bottlenecks• had left Tesla behind its planned ramp-up for
the new Model 3 mass-market sedan.
The company delivered 220 Model 3 sedans and produced 260 during the
third quarter. In July, it began production of the Model 3, which
starts at $35,000 — half the starting price of the Model S.
Mercury News had earlier reported about the firing of hundreds of
employees by Tesla in the past week.
turbobloke said:
http://www.autonews.com/article/20170611/OEM01/170...
New entrants into the market are bound to have hassles, I would think.
I don't own a Tesla, but I'm interested in their products and at present they have the only practical electric only vehicle proposition I'd even remotely consider. Way too expensive right now, but in future who knows.
If replacing most ICE cars meant saving fuel for interesting ones I'm all for it
turbobloke said:
Looking at the size of the subsidy they were given in HK, is that really a surprise?Are you suggesting that their cars are not viable at all without subsidy? If so, I'm not sure that's universally applicable.
Here, for example, I don't think there's that much of a subsidy on them at all, is there?
turbobloke said:
....uncanny, it's almost as if the buyers knew it was going to happen and brought forward their purchases..Breadvan72 said:
Serious question: what is the PH vibe about Teslas? They strike me as rather fab, if only they could be more affordable. Is PH generally anti? If so, is that because of love for petrol, or because Elon Musk is annoying, or because anything a bit greenish must be dire, or what?
Likewise.Not quite as smart as they would like to believe, but may improve.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-11...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-11...
John145 said:
Old men are afraid of change.
But it's not just old men who aren't buying them is it?
I'd buy a Tesla S, if it weren't that I can buy a Mercedes, BMW or any of a number of other premium brands that are better in almost every way and cost, taking fuel, maintenance and depreciation into account, significantly less.
I'm all for green initiatives but already pay for them through my taxes. I'm not prepared to subsidise Musk's adventures too. Good luck to those who are.
Anyway, I doubt it'll be many years before the major manufacturers are offering a full range of electric vehicles more competitively, especially given current governments' policies.
John145 said:
Old men are afraid of change.
Pointless generalisation is pointless.
How afraid is the Tesla hierarchy with subsidies being removed...if I could find a news story about Tesla taking on 400 more employees to cope with demand I'd post it. As things stand hundreds of workers have been laid off behind a smokescreen of spin with signs of sales falling as p-c bribes disappear.
Deptford Draylons said:
I like them. Also kinda hope it means old classics will be tolerated and mean plenty of petrol for the future. I never said I wasn't selfish.
It may be that once we have switched over to non fossil fuels for transport, some petrol vehicles will be tolerated as heritage items, subject perhaps to some form of certification and perhaps some limitations on use. By then people with early Teslas may be taking them to classic car shows.Turbobloke, do you want Tesla to fail? If you do, why?
Breadvan72 said:
Serious question: what is the PH vibe about Teslas? They strike me as rather fab, if only they could be more affordable. Is PH generally anti? If so, is that because of love for petrol, or because Elon Musk is annoying, or because anything a bit greenish must be dire, or what?
I'd be very happy with one but at this moment in time no good for me and I can't afford one anyway. Issues fir tesla?
Bio fuel expected to be same price as fossil fuels within 10 years and petrol engine technology expected to quadruple mpg apparently. ( no idea personally, was just mentioned at a conference I was at)
Tesla expect 700 mile range within ten years I seem to recal then for me it's a serious contender
Can our power grid cope with us getting electric cars?
Breadvan72 said:
Turbobloke, do you want Tesla to fail? If you do, why?
turbobloke said:
...if I could find a news story about Tesla taking on 400 more employees to cope with demand I'd post it...
So, the answer is already obvious really.Any business model based on taxpayer subsidies has to be at risk under pressure on governments' spending levels, why not ask if those responsible for such models want them to fail? Probably because the answer is equally obvious! That won't help, however.
You have answered neither the first question nor the second one, so, no, the answers aren't obvious. The questions weren't rhetorical, they were just questions. I add that no one has to answer questions on the internet if they don't want to.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 16th October 17:50
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