Undercover Panorama report reveals prison chaos

Undercover Panorama report reveals prison chaos

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Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Tryke3 said:
And which people are those, its pretty difficult to get sent down for longer than 90 days but anyway really want to know which people dont deserve to be in prison.

Lets be honest here, cutting the budget or not increasing the budget is the real issue here, tory goverment keeps telling us that cuts can be implemented successfuly, while everything gets run into the ground just to keep simple/stupid people voting tory

If you ask me, prisons should not be rehabilitation centers, people dont want to be rehabilitated.

If you are sent down for more than 5 years you should be sent to eastern europe or a country outside the eu to do your time imo . I hear Hungary its cushty at the moment but serbia probably better
The "simple/stupid" people are those who think nothing needs doing with our deficit/debt. Cuts of the scale needed mean that services will be scaled back.

Eldar and others note above the sort of people they mean (those with mental health issues etc).

I agree with you on outsourcing the problem, rights etc etc smile I'd send them for a holiday to Thailand. Or Holland.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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WindyCommon said:
Colouring in promotes the development of the fine motor skills needed to write. Some inmates simply didn't have the chance to develop these skills when they were five years old. Peppa Pig is populated with easy shapes for novices to colour in. Sounds crazy, but may be a necessary step toward rehabilitation through the development of basic life skills. Without in any way making excuses for what they may have done, our prisons are populated with many people who have had very little chance of normal lives because of failures in their upbringing etc.
I guess, put in that context, you may well have a point. Few of us here would claim to be remedial education experts, even if some of us (no name, no pack drill) might benefit from it.

Tryke3 said:
Lets be honest here, cutting the budget or not increasing the budget is the real issue here, tory goverment keeps telling us that cuts can be implemented successfuly, while everything gets run into the ground just to keep simple/stupid people voting tory
Well, I actually thought the [b]Tory[b/] Home Sec made a good point yesterday; that we have got better at detecting and prosecuting crime. We're comparing prison populations to times where modern detection techniques simply did not exist.

Tryke3 said:
If you ask me, prisons should not be rehabilitation centers, people dont want to be rehabilitated.
I do actually believe this is the case in a good few instances. Recidivism is ingrained in some - partly it is joke sentencing, partly it is natural disposition - and for them, the sentences currently actually served are a joke. At least while they are inside they're not into their next victim.

greygoose

8,224 posts

194 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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greygoose said:
I've got a mate who used to be a 'beat' sergeant in a small Midlands town. On many weekends there'd obviously be various random acts of violence, but there were also be the odd really, really nasty one, normally and unequal contest and, very often the victim was too terrified to give evidence, let alone appear in court to testify.

Every now and then they'd nick the bd who they suspect carried out the majority of these - big, nasty bd who prowled the streets, usually with a mate or two in tow, looking for lone pissed up blokes to pick a fight with - and once he was convinced, miracle or miracles, all these sorts of assaults stopped. Dead. And so too it followed that, upon release, they'd start up again.

Hours of police time wasted, countless lives blighted or even ruined, for one mindless, thoughtless bd who, IMHO, deserved to stay behind bars.

Tryke3

1,609 posts

93 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Murph7355 said:
Tryke3 said:
And which people are those, its pretty difficult to get sent down for longer than 90 days but anyway really want to know which people dont deserve to be in prison.

Lets be honest here, cutting the budget or not increasing the budget is the real issue here, tory goverment keeps telling us that cuts can be implemented successfuly, while everything gets run into the ground just to keep simple/stupid people voting tory

If you ask me, prisons should not be rehabilitation centers, people dont want to be rehabilitated.

If you are sent down for more than 5 years you should be sent to eastern europe or a country outside the eu to do your time imo . I hear Hungary its cushty at the moment but serbia probably better
The "simple/stupid" people are those who think nothing needs doing with our deficit/debt. Cuts of the scale needed mean that services will be scaled
Deficit, that all chestnut ey . Law and order/nhs is not where cuts need to be made, who decides anyway what budgets should be made available as it seems the house of commons is not on that list for obvious reasons. A happy population is a productive workforce, knowing you are burgled while you sleep and the police dont have the will power to investigate further than "have you got cctv " its one way to keep people thinking this country is not working

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Tryke3 said:
Deficit, that all chestnut ey . Law and order/nhs is not where cuts need to be made, who decides anyway what budgets should be made available as it seems the house of commons is not on that list for obvious reasons. A happy population is a productive workforce, knowing you are burgled while you sleep and the police dont have the will power to investigate further than "have you got cctv " its one way to keep people thinking this country is not working
Go have a look at where the expenses are incurred and have a crack at saying what should be cut.

If you listen to every self interest group, nothing will be.

I'd do what one of the scandi countries ended up doing and just lop the required amount off everything to start with. Right now I reckon that %age should be something like 25% off, which would mean the national debt is paid off in 15-17yrs. Easy biggrin

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Salient reminder of the tremendous effects that crimes can cause:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-38...

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

232 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Fastchas said:
Diversity is good in most ways but do we REALLY need little girls in CAT A/B/C jails?
I do hear what you are saying but would counter that with my 5'5 niece who is with Kent BiB. She is very attractive and has builtin airbags that Volvo would kill for, yet when it starts to get a little sketchy she still going long after the 18 stone bruisers are worn out.

As said there is a lot to be said for being a big hulking mass (it has saved my ass a number of times as people are a lot less likely to try it on when you are half a foot taller and a foot wider than them), but also being fit, quick and agile, as well as knowing how to look after yourself, is often just as good.

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

232 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Digga said:
Hours of police time wasted, countless lives blighted or even ruined, for one mindless, thoughtless bd who, IMHO, deserved to stay behind bars.
There was one a number of years ago where I lived.

One night whilst out of clink they took a bet that they could swim from one bank of the river Severn to the other. That was the story that the people who were with him that night told the coroner.

Sheepshanks

32,530 posts

118 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Police State said:
From the BBC Panorama report:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38931583

BBC said:
HMP Northumberland is run by Sodexo Justice Services.
It was privatised in 2014, when the government was aiming to cut £500m from the prisons budget.
To win the contract, Sodexo pledged to save the taxpayer £130m over 15 years. Two hundred jobs, including 96 prison officer posts, were cut.
At the time of the deal, the Prison Officers Association warned it could result in "escapes and riots".

HMP Northumberland is a training prison that is meant to offer a range of education and training programmes to prepare inmates for release.
The Panorama reporter witnessed some inmates colouring in pictures of the children's cartoon character Peppa Pig in an "employability skills" class provided by an outside contractor, Novus.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry...
Parts of the NHS are like this - my daughter was Tupe'd out to a firm who bid a price that they can't possibly provide the service they're contracted to.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Sunday 9th July 2017
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Prison officers have confiscated 225kg (about 500lb) of drugs in one year in England and Wales, according to the Ministry of Justice. In 2016, 13,000 mobile phones and 7,000 Sim cards were also seized from prisoners.

Drugs, mobile phones, suicides and self harm, assaults on staff, radicalisation and extremism are all on the rise within our prison system. Meanwhile staff numbers and morale is going in the other direction.

Is the prison system facing a crisis? What's the solution?

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Sunday 9th July 2017
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BlackLabel said:
Prison officers have confiscated 225kg (about 500lb) of drugs in one year in England and Wales, according to the Ministry of Justice. In 2016, 13,000 mobile phones and 7,000 Sim cards were also seized from prisoners.

Drugs, mobile phones, suicides and self harm, assaults on staff, radicalisation and extremism are all on the rise within our prison system. Meanwhile staff numbers and morale is going in the other direction.

Is the prison system facing a crisis? What's the solution?
Do more searches. Sell the drugs, mobile phones and sim cards.

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Sunday 9th July 2017
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BlackLabel said:
Prison officers have confiscated 225kg (about 500lb) of drugs in one year in England and Wales, according to the Ministry of Justice. In 2016, 13,000 mobile phones and 7,000 Sim cards were also seized from prisoners.

Drugs, mobile phones, suicides and self harm, assaults on staff, radicalisation and extremism are all on the rise within our prison system. Meanwhile staff numbers and morale is going in the other direction.

Is the prison system facing a crisis? What's the solution?
Things like this are used to detect contraband in to prisons. Known as the boss.
http://bodyorificescanner.com/welcome/

Then you get this, almost entirely plastic, so unlikely to get detected...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Worlds-Smallest-Mobile-P...


frankenstein12

1,915 posts

95 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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Its been in crisis for some time now.

They are spending money for example they are building a new prison in Rochester to replace the present one.

Problem is they aren't spending enough or in the right areas.

That find listed in the report is a fraction of what goes in.

Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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My solution - burglars. Make them dig their own graves, then stand them on the side of the hole they've just dug and shoot them in the back if the head. You could probably get several in each hole. Next batch of burglars - get them to fill in the hole and then dig their own. Keep going til the burglars are gone. Massive reduction in prison population. Huge savings. Cost? Some spades and bullets. I'm happy to do the trigger pulling for free.

Where would we get the land to bury them? Simple: you take their home and raze it to the ground. Use that.

I'm serious, by the way.

speedyman

1,523 posts

233 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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jjlynn27 said:
BlackLabel said:
Prison officers have confiscated 225kg (about 500lb) of drugs in one year in England and Wales, according to the Ministry of Justice. In 2016, 13,000 mobile phones and 7,000 Sim cards were also seized from prisoners.

Drugs, mobile phones, suicides and self harm, assaults on staff, radicalisation and extremism are all on the rise within our prison system. Meanwhile staff numbers and morale is going in the other direction.

Is the prison system facing a crisis? What's the solution?
Do more searches. Sell the drugs, mobile phones and sim cards.
How can they do more searches if they don't have enough prison officers in the first place ?

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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Dog Star said:


I'm serious, by the way.
Saudi Arabia might be a better place for you to live then.



Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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The Spruce goose said:
Saudi Arabia might be a better place for you to live then.
Don't see why I should have to move. I don't steal people's stuff.

(Anyway - back on topic)

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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Dog Star said:
Don't see why I should have to move. I don't steal people's stuff.

(Anyway - back on topic)
you suggested to a problem, execution, 'seriously'. SA has death sentences for burglars, considering they live 500 years in the past thought it might suit your antiquated views. Seriously a solution to prisons is to execute burglars. fk me.

Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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The Spruce goose said:
Seriously a solution to prisons is to execute burglars
Yep.