Undercover Panorama report reveals prison chaos

[Lance Catamaran]

Dog Star said:

The Spruce goose said:

Seriously a solution to prisons is to execute burglars

Yep.

Just better hope you don't get wrongfully convicted.

[RB Will]

I have always thought a 3 strikes and you are out policy should be implemented. gives you 2 prison visits to reform yourself if you get convicted again then tough, you have shown society doesn't need you.
Has anyone ever been falsely imprisoned 3 times without being guilty of a stload of other things (eg been to prison rightfully 10 times but wrongly convicted of 3)?

[loafer123]

Comedy program on R4 on Friday put it well.

"Panorama - we take the most complicated issues of our time and say "half an hour should do it"!"

[arm3000gt]

Turn prisons into waste sorting facilities. Reduce rations to sustenance levels, prisoners work 12 hour shifts sorting waste. Biffa Veola etc pay prison operators to sort waste on their behalf for hugely reduced rate. Reduction in waste landfill, prison can then sell on sorted waste bales to make money. Prisoners with aptitude and good behaviour get trained on machinery, forklifts, further education etc so when they leave they can get some sort of job. If they do get a real job they will realise a 40 hour week in Tesco shelf stacking is a lot better than a 72 hour week sorting rubbish in prison. Run this operation 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Prisoners get 1 day off in 6
Prison population more subdued due to being tired after working their 12 hours and also because they are on reduced calories.

[del mar]

Lance Catamaran said:

Dog Star said:

The Spruce goose said:

Seriously a solution to prisons is to execute burglars

Yep.

Just better hope you don't get wrongfully convicted.

I was always against the death penalty, because as you point out mistakes can be made.

However..

In the case of a career burglar who has been in and out of jail for years, this is not a one off incident where a mistake could be made. They gave up being an asset / benefit to society long ago, they are now just a cost.

[LordHaveMurci]

arm3000gt said:

Turn prisons into waste sorting facilities. Reduce rations to sustenance levels, prisoners work 12 hour shifts sorting waste. Biffa Veola etc pay prison operators to sort waste on their behalf for hugely reduced rate. Reduction in waste landfill, prison can then sell on sorted waste bales to make money. Prisoners with aptitude and good behaviour get trained on machinery, forklifts, further education etc so when they leave they can get some sort of job. If they do get a real job they will realise a 40 hour week in Tesco shelf stacking is a lot better than a 72 hour week sorting rubbish in prison. Run this operation 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Prisoners get 1 day off in 6
Prison population more subdued due to being tired after working their 12 hours and also because they are on reduced calories.

All joking aside, I do wonder why programs similar to this don't exist, surely they'd work & be virtually self funding after a while?

Human rights I guess?

[Ziplobb]

surely the mobile phone issue is dealt with easily by jamming ? it cannot be beyond technology to do this near a prison

[andym1603]

LordHaveMurci said:

arm3000gt said:

Turn prisons into waste sorting facilities. Reduce rations to sustenance levels, prisoners work 12 hour shifts sorting waste. Biffa Veola etc pay prison operators to sort waste on their behalf for hugely reduced rate. Reduction in waste landfill, prison can then sell on sorted waste bales to make money. Prisoners with aptitude and good behaviour get trained on machinery, forklifts, further education etc so when they leave they can get some sort of job. If they do get a real job they will realise a 40 hour week in Tesco shelf stacking is a lot better than a 72 hour week sorting rubbish in prison. Run this operation 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Prisoners get 1 day off in 6
Prison population more subdued due to being tired after working their 12 hours and also because they are on reduced calories.

All joking aside, I do wonder why programs similar to this don't exist, surely they'd work & be virtually self funding after a while?

Human rights I guess?

And the fact that any waste collected will contain glass, metal, wood and any number of articles that could be fashioned into weapons. Although a good idea it would be hard to implement and provide the security for.

[LordHaveMurci]

andym1603 said:

And the fact that any waste collected will contain glass, metal, wood and any number of articles that could be fashioned into weapons. Although a good idea it would be hard to implement and provide the security for.

Doesn't have to be waste, there must be any number of things they could do.

[anonymous-user]

LordHaveMurci said:

Doesn't have to be waste, there must be any number of things they could do.

i'm sure there are some, TV aerials, pallets, are made in prison, my mate was a prison guard told me.

when my dad was in prison used to make craft stuff, but the problem is a lot choose to do nothing.

[frankenstein12]

LordHaveMurci said:

arm3000gt said:

Turn prisons into waste sorting facilities. Reduce rations to sustenance levels, prisoners work 12 hour shifts sorting waste. Biffa Veola etc pay prison operators to sort waste on their behalf for hugely reduced rate. Reduction in waste landfill, prison can then sell on sorted waste bales to make money. Prisoners with aptitude and good behaviour get trained on machinery, forklifts, further education etc so when they leave they can get some sort of job. If they do get a real job they will realise a 40 hour week in Tesco shelf stacking is a lot better than a 72 hour week sorting rubbish in prison. Run this operation 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Prisoners get 1 day off in 6
Prison population more subdued due to being tired after working their 12 hours and also because they are on reduced calories.

All joking aside, I do wonder why programs similar to this don't exist, surely they'd work & be virtually self funding after a while?

Human rights I guess?

They do. Almost all prisons have industries workshops were inmates can work. They are paid a minimal sum to spend on canteen etc. Likewise there are education workshops, farms and so on.

[frankenstein12]

Ziplobb said:

surely the mobile phone issue is dealt with easily by jamming ? it cannot be beyond technology to do this near a prison

Up till recently it was a bit too complicated and costly however I believe there is talk of bringing in jamming systems once the present upgrades are complete.

[andym1603]

frankenstein12 said:

Up till recently it was a bit too complicated and costly however I believe there is talk of bringing in jamming systems once the present upgrades are complete.

Led to believe that mobile phone jamming is illegal in this country. Willing to be corrected if the law has changed.

[frankenstein12]

andym1603 said:

frankenstein12 said:

Up till recently it was a bit too complicated and costly however I believe there is talk of bringing in jamming systems once the present upgrades are complete.

Led to believe that mobile phone jamming is illegal in this country. Willing to be corrected if the law has changed.

Definitely Illegal for a civilian to operate and I think also own mobile jammers. The government however I believe are permitted to use them

[98elise]

Ziplobb said:

surely the mobile phone issue is dealt with easily by jamming ? it cannot be beyond technology to do this near a prison

I would have thought it was relatively simple for the providers to identify which phones are in the prison. Location is relatively accurate, they never go anywhere else, phones are of a particular type and on a particular type of contract.

Block the service for any phone which looks suspicious and see how many people complain!

[JulianHJ]

98elise said:

Location is relatively accurate.

It really isn't. Your location as displayed on your handset might be very accurate, but the fact is the mobile operators will have an idea of roughly which of three directions you are from the nearest/best mast, and very little idea of how far you are from it (possibly many miles) due to myriad factors. They certainly can't 'triangulate' your position to within a small area.

[ChemicalChaos]

Why can we not simply follow the American model of profit-making prisons? Problem solved.

[anonymous-user]

ChemicalChaos said:

Why can we not simply follow the American model of profit-making prisons? Problem solved.

In part I agree but when a prison business group starts bribing judges to send more people to prison, to work as slave labour it has it faults.

[sugerbear]

ChemicalChaos said:

Why can we not simply follow the American model of profit-making prisons? Problem solved.

The only people that make a profit from prisons in the US are the companies running them and their shareholders.

[SamR380]

andym1603 said:

frankenstein12 said:

Up till recently it was a bit too complicated and costly however I believe there is talk of bringing in jamming systems once the present upgrades are complete.

Led to believe that mobile phone jamming is illegal in this country. Willing to be corrected if the law has changed.

It's not hard to do and I've thought about it before... The only potential problem I could envisage is a bleed of the jamming signal outside the prison boundaries, particularly with prisons in populated areas.