45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
Bill said:
Love the balance: He hasn't achieved much, but it's only been a few months Vs he hasn't been impeached, why are they taking so long if it's inevitable.
My estimate would be that there are plenty of impeachable things out there - his use of trump branded properties, his intelligence leaks and so forth.However, impeachment requires that the house/senate turn on him, currently this is under the control of his party so until such time as he/his actions materially damage them outside of a news cycle, nothing will happen.
Like or loathe the man, I feel there is little doubt that if any Democrat held office and acted as he is currently doing the current house/senate makeup would be screaming blue murder for impeachment. Likewise if the Democrats held the house/senate wheels would already be rolling.
As it is, the whole affair is entirely partisan, but there are definitely grounds to consider it.
My bet is barring something shocking dropping nothing is going to move until the mid-terms at least. Politicians of all stripes are nothing if not self serving, it would take something major to force their hand prior to this.
unrepentant said:
Nobody is suggesting it will be quick although I suspect it's unravelling faster than many predicted. I completely agree, the killer evidence will probably come from those in Trump's circle scrambling to save their own necks.
are you able to quantify "faster than many predicted"? what will be the "killer evidence" bearing in mind the absence of evidence in an investigation that has, as we are told, be ongoing for near enough a year?
Some of the really important figures in this show have yet to testify. That will have a big impact on where things go. You can probably say that for the past year or so, Trump and his team have been "monitored" because of their connections with potential enemy states.
Now that trump is President, the monitoring has ramped up and the law is now being invoked to tease out the extent of these connections and their ramification for the security of the US.
Now that trump is President, the monitoring has ramped up and the law is now being invoked to tease out the extent of these connections and their ramification for the security of the US.
Eric Mc said:
Because it takes time to gather evidence.
And a lot of the evidence will be supplied through testimonies which are going to be happening over the next few weeks and months. The law is patient. In fact, it's much better to proceed slowly and methodically rather than go off half cocked.
Slowly, slowly, catchee Trumpee.
They've been "gathering evidence" for ages now and nothing substantial has been discovered.And a lot of the evidence will be supplied through testimonies which are going to be happening over the next few weeks and months. The law is patient. In fact, it's much better to proceed slowly and methodically rather than go off half cocked.
Slowly, slowly, catchee Trumpee.
Be honest here - you don't even know what Trump is supposed to have done. "Collusion with the Russians" doesn't really mean anything.
You're just getting yourself worked up into some leftist frenzy. Trump is not getting impeached - deal with it.
He might, who knows?
But I agree, there is a degree of wishful thinking being presented as a forthcoming attraction, it doesn't pay to get ahead of oneself in life generally. What we know is there are lots of allegations swirling around the Trump campaign in respect of it's connections to Russia, much circumstantial evidence & a little solid stuff I.e Flynn, Trump servers etc.
The man on the Clapham omnibus would look at it as a whole & probably conclude there's an investigation worth pursuing there & that's where we are. I would separate that from the fairly obvious set of observations that he's a doofus who shouldn't be in the oval office or even within fifty miles of it & a nepotistic egomaniac in no way using the highest public office in the world to enrich his family & himself but that's a whole other debate.
But I agree, there is a degree of wishful thinking being presented as a forthcoming attraction, it doesn't pay to get ahead of oneself in life generally. What we know is there are lots of allegations swirling around the Trump campaign in respect of it's connections to Russia, much circumstantial evidence & a little solid stuff I.e Flynn, Trump servers etc.
The man on the Clapham omnibus would look at it as a whole & probably conclude there's an investigation worth pursuing there & that's where we are. I would separate that from the fairly obvious set of observations that he's a doofus who shouldn't be in the oval office or even within fifty miles of it & a nepotistic egomaniac in no way using the highest public office in the world to enrich his family & himself but that's a whole other debate.
2port said:
They've been "gathering evidence" for ages now and nothing substantial has been discovered.
Be honest here - you don't even know what Trump is supposed to have done. "Collusion with the Russians" doesn't really mean anything.
You're just getting yourself worked up into some leftist frenzy. Trump is not getting impeached - deal with it.
A user that's signed up for one month and only commented on this thread. I can't be the only one who finds that suspicious, surely?Be honest here - you don't even know what Trump is supposed to have done. "Collusion with the Russians" doesn't really mean anything.
You're just getting yourself worked up into some leftist frenzy. Trump is not getting impeached - deal with it.
2port said:
Eric Mc said:
Because it takes time to gather evidence.
And a lot of the evidence will be supplied through testimonies which are going to be happening over the next few weeks and months. The law is patient. In fact, it's much better to proceed slowly and methodically rather than go off half cocked.
Slowly, slowly, catchee Trumpee.
They've been "gathering evidence" for ages now and nothing substantial has been discovered.And a lot of the evidence will be supplied through testimonies which are going to be happening over the next few weeks and months. The law is patient. In fact, it's much better to proceed slowly and methodically rather than go off half cocked.
Slowly, slowly, catchee Trumpee.
Be honest here - you don't even know what Trump is supposed to have done. "Collusion with the Russians" doesn't really mean anything.
You're just getting yourself worked up into some leftist frenzy. Trump is not getting impeached - deal with it.
With his team, it'll be about how the aid for the election was sort/discussed. I believe they kept the Donald out of this as he can't stop opening his mouth. Mind you, theres enough of them that already have, even if inadvertently. Carter Page, Stone, Flynn, even Kushner
I mean - take your pick...
Byker28i said:
With Trump it'll be the money, tracing those loans from Deutsche bank to the Russian money laundering, the property sales at inflated prices. All to appeal to his ego about how he's such a good business man.
With his team, it'll be about how the aid for the election was sort/discussed. I believe they kept the Donald out of this as he can't stop opening his mouth. Mind you, theres enough of them that already have, even if inadvertently. Carter Page, Stone, Flynn, even Kushner
I mean - take your pick...
cant believe you have left Nigel Farage off that list he is on the FBI list now apparently .With his team, it'll be about how the aid for the election was sort/discussed. I believe they kept the Donald out of this as he can't stop opening his mouth. Mind you, theres enough of them that already have, even if inadvertently. Carter Page, Stone, Flynn, even Kushner
I mean - take your pick...
2port said:
Eric Mc said:
Because it takes time to gather evidence.
And a lot of the evidence will be supplied through testimonies which are going to be happening over the next few weeks and months. The law is patient. In fact, it's much better to proceed slowly and methodically rather than go off half cocked.
Slowly, slowly, catchee Trumpee.
They've been "gathering evidence" for ages now and nothing substantial has been discovered.And a lot of the evidence will be supplied through testimonies which are going to be happening over the next few weeks and months. The law is patient. In fact, it's much better to proceed slowly and methodically rather than go off half cocked.
Slowly, slowly, catchee Trumpee.
If not, how do you know what evidence they hold?
Eric Mc said:
Have you got special access to FBI, CIA and National Security Agency files?
If not, how do you know what evidence they hold?
Give me a break....If not, how do you know what evidence they hold?
These guys want nothing more than for Trump to get screwed. If they genuinely had one shred of evidence, then we'd all know about it.
This mythical "Trump Russia collusion" is just BS concocted by the liberal media, and snowflakes everywhere are lapping it up.
You're making major accusations against Trump without any evidence to back them up. I suggest you calm down.
Why should I give you a break?
They have a job to do protecting their country from foreign influence and interference. I hope they do that job to the best of their ability and if it turns out that the President has compromised the safety of the people of America, he will have to pay the price.
If they turn up nothing, they'll still have done their job. If he is and his team are as clean as a whistle, then fair enough.
You do know what the "I" in FBI stands for, I presume?
They have a job to do protecting their country from foreign influence and interference. I hope they do that job to the best of their ability and if it turns out that the President has compromised the safety of the people of America, he will have to pay the price.
If they turn up nothing, they'll still have done their job. If he is and his team are as clean as a whistle, then fair enough.
You do know what the "I" in FBI stands for, I presume?
Byker28i said:
With Trump it'll be the money, tracing those loans from Deutsche bank to the Russian money laundering, the property sales at inflated prices. All to appeal to his ego about how he's such a good business man.
With his team, it'll be about how the aid for the election was sort/discussed. I believe they kept the Donald out of this as he can't stop opening his mouth. Mind you, theres enough of them that already have, even if inadvertently. Carter Page, Stone, Flynn, even Kushner
I mean - take your pick...
What a ridiculously useless diagram. The arrows there are meaningless....With his team, it'll be about how the aid for the election was sort/discussed. I believe they kept the Donald out of this as he can't stop opening his mouth. Mind you, theres enough of them that already have, even if inadvertently. Carter Page, Stone, Flynn, even Kushner
I mean - take your pick...
He'd never get any presidenting done.2port said:
They've been "gathering evidence" for ages now and nothing substantial has been discovered.
Be honest here - you don't even know what Trump is supposed to have done. "Collusion with the Russians" doesn't really mean anything.
You're just getting yourself worked up into some leftist frenzy. Trump is not getting impeached - deal with it.
You sound like a guy who's on the inside. "In the know", to use a technical expression. Am I right? I am, aren't I?Be honest here - you don't even know what Trump is supposed to have done. "Collusion with the Russians" doesn't really mean anything.
You're just getting yourself worked up into some leftist frenzy. Trump is not getting impeached - deal with it.
Look, here's what you should do.
Get some paper. Lined, with a margin, so it looks neat. Write down your analysis of the leftist claims, and your conclusions. Use capitals. It will look clearer on the eye.
Send it - secretly, of course - to the FBI, the NSA, the CIA and the House Committees investigating Trump. Be sure to copy in Mr Trump himself. He will be so relieved that someone has cut through all this stuff so clearly. And grateful too!
You're just getting yourself worked up into some leftist frenzy. Trump is not getting impeached - deal with it.
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May I appeal to Trump supporters to please stop assuming everyone who is concerned by him is 'the left'?
I don't consider myself 'left' at all, and,(for example), my friend Martin is rather right wing. Both of us have serious concerns about Trump and his administration. This is already way beyond binary political thinking and I think the discussion would really benefit from a rather more open-minded approach if possible?
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