Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[jsc15]

Apparently Nicola now "doesn't know" when she will call Indyref2, as if she somehow gets to organise it all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Thanks for the decisiveness Nicola, it does wonders for Scottish business confidence.

This is like a condemned man delaying his own execution date

[glazbagun]

REALIST123 said:

The real question here is how can one claim an 'economic benefit' by simply spending taxpayers money on a way of speeding up the handing out of more taxpayers money?

I guess it's OK as long as it's English taxpayers' money.

I'm guessing you don't get your state handout before you're due it, so getting your cahs/benefit on time lets you buy shopping/pay rent/whatever sooner.

I guess it's the quality / cost debate. A st NHS would save the taxpayer a fortune in the short term. At which point does a rubbish but understaffed/amazing but overstaffed admin centre become too rubbish/overstaffed.?

[csd19]

REALIST123 said:

r11co said:

Professor Barney said:

Major jobs boost, but only for the two areas that voted yes in the referendum:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-cent...

Good job the SNP do a 'different kind of politics' or this could've been mistaken for rewarding your own supporters with public money.

Co-incidentally, these centres for handling benefit claims will also be located in the two areas where demand will be the highest.

No connection there either I guess.....

The real question here is how can one claim an 'economic benefit' by simply spending taxpayers money on a way of speeding up the handing out of more taxpayers money?

I guess it's OK as long as it's English taxpayers' money.

Ah, so this is why income tax is reportedly going to be on the rise next year, jobs for the neds. How long before we see a Daily Ranger headline covering a massive "accidental" overpayment to a scrounging relative of someone working there?

[Cobnapint]

jsc15 said:

Apparently Nicola now "doesn't know" when she will call Indyref2, as if she somehow gets to organise it all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Thanks for the decisiveness Nicola, it does wonders for Scottish business confidence.

This is like a condemned man delaying his own execution date

Clearly a new tactic. They lost seats at the last GE after pissing everybody off, so the new idea is to shut up about it, make everyone think you've forgotten about it, try and act a bit more 'governmental' by appearing to have a grip over public finances and social concerns, then when you think you've got the nation onside - hit them with the 'i' word.

[B210bandit]

Unless the SNP suddenly abandon their raison d'etre, independence, I can't see any tactic at play here. It will always be there as a policy.

[technodup]

B210bandit said:

Unless the SNP suddenly abandon their raison d'etre, independence, I can't see any tactic at play here. It will always be there as a policy.

The tactics are, shout about it endlessly or keep schtum for a bit. We've had the former, now we're getting a dose of the latter.

Basically she thinks we're a bit slow. But 55% of us are a bit smarter than she is.

[Sylvaforever]

What's this about banning petrol and diesel cars by 2032?

[Alpacaman]

Sylvaforever said:

What's this about banning petrol and diesel cars by 2032?

Because the nasty Torys are banning them by 2040 Nicola has to show how Scotland is different by banning them sooner. Anything Westminster can do she can do better/sooner/bigger/with added tartan.

[kowalski655]

Coz electric cars are going to be really good in the Highlands miles from anywhere.
You can carry some spare fuel, but not a spare generator!

[Leithen]

kowalski655 said:

Coz electric cars are going to be really good in the Highlands miles from anywhere.
You can carry some spare fuel, but not a spare generator!

In theory you could carry a generator.... not sure how long you'd have to wait to get any meaningful charge/miles though...

[ASA569]

Yet another policy they haven't thought through properly. If the other parties have any sense they'll use this crazy idea to show how incompetent the SNP are and help get rid of them in 2021.

[gofasterrosssco]

Alpacaman said:

Sylvaforever said:

What's this about banning petrol and diesel cars by 2032?

Because the nasty Torys are banning them by 2040 Nicola has to show how Scotland is different by banning them sooner. Anything Westminster can do she can do better/sooner/bigger/with added tartan.

How will that even work in country with totally open borders like the UK? won't people just buy their new car in a Carlisle dealership after 2032?

Additionally, as much as I approve of the gradual transfer to electrified transport, Scotland is probably the most difficult part of the UK to implement. Have the Scottish Gov. detailed how they will provide the charging network to many parts of Scotland, or are their policies just as Central-Belt focused as usual?

[Alpacaman]

gofasterrosssco said:

Alpacaman said:

Sylvaforever said:

What's this about banning petrol and diesel cars by 2032?

Because the nasty Torys are banning them by 2040 Nicola has to show how Scotland is different by banning them sooner. Anything Westminster can do she can do better/sooner/bigger/with added tartan.

How will that even work in country with totally open borders like the UK? won't people just buy their new car in a Carlisle dealership after 2032?

Additionally, as much as I approve of the gradual transfer to electrified transport, Scotland is probably the most difficult part of the UK to implement. Have the Scottish Gov. detailed how they will provide the charging network to many parts of Scotland, or are their policies just as Central-Belt focused as usual?

I very much doubt any thought has gone into it beyond let's show everyone how much better than the rest of the UK we are. We can't get fast broadband up here, so I somehow doubt there will be sufficient charging points, especially when you can get a sudden influx of thousands of hire cars in the summer. Two or three times over the last 5 years we have had power cuts of 24-48 hours, so I assume then people will have to just sit at home.

[pingu393]

Alpacaman said:

gofasterrosssco said:

Alpacaman said:

Sylvaforever said:

What's this about banning petrol and diesel cars by 2032?

Because the nasty Torys are banning them by 2040 Nicola has to show how Scotland is different by banning them sooner. Anything Westminster can do she can do better/sooner/bigger/with added tartan.

How will that even work in country with totally open borders like the UK? won't people just buy their new car in a Carlisle dealership after 2032?

Additionally, as much as I approve of the gradual transfer to electrified transport, Scotland is probably the most difficult part of the UK to implement. Have the Scottish Gov. detailed how they will provide the charging network to many parts of Scotland, or are their policies just as Central-Belt focused as usual?

I very much doubt any thought has gone into it beyond let's show everyone how much better than the rest of the UK we are. We can't get fast broadband up here, so I somehow doubt there will be sufficient charging points, especially when you can get a sudden influx of thousands of hire cars in the summer. Two or three times over the last 5 years we have had power cuts of 24-48 hours, so I assume then people will have to just sit at home.

I did a tour of the highlands and needed to carry an extra 50 miles worth of 98 octane in jerry cans. Carrying 50 extra miles worth of leccy will take a wee bit more space.

[57 Chevy]

SNP don’t like the SNP anymore

[r11co]

57 Chevy said:

SNP don’t like the SNP anymore

An expensive vanity project located probably as far away from where the demand would be as you can get, short of sticking it on one of the islands.

[5STM5]

Leithen said:

In theory you could carry a generator.... not sure how long you'd have to wait to get any meaningful charge/miles though...

And how would you power that generator...

[ABZ RS6]

5STM5 said:

And how would you power that generator...

Well you just plug it....... oh fk that doesn't work does it!

[Leithen]

5STM5 said:

And how would you power that generator...

Well obviously with petrol magical fairy dust, the same stuff the SNP have unlimited supplies of and attempt to sprinkle on everything.

But seriously, petrol and diesel supplies will be ubiquitous for the rest of the century regardless of what our feckless politicians pronounce.

[r11co]

So, the political opportunist but utterly hopeless long-term strategist Sturgeon has publicly supported the Catalans' attempt to hold an illegal independence referendum, thus ensuring Spain will never support an attempt by Scotland to join the EU.



So, when she promises to voters that an independent Scotland will apply to rejoin she isn't lying, she's just being disingenuous about their chances of gaining entry.