Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[Edinburger]

Be interested to hear people’s views on Mrs Sturgeon’s points? As always, she puts herself across very, very well whether or not you agree with her. Wasn’t Andrew Marr’s finest interview.

csd19 (and others) - I’ll reply to your perfectly valid points on the last pages shortly. Need to head out to kids football just now and I have a busy day ahead, but I will get back to you shortly.

[s2kjock]

simoid said:

Any estimates of how much it would add to fees? Talking of Edinburgh schools, they’re gonna take a right hit when it’s £500 per car park space too!

They won't be adding 20% to fees as the customer base couldn't support it and it would consequently affect sustainability of many schools. I imagine there will be a higher than normal annual fee increase combined with a reduction in bursary provision (ie giving away reduced free places). They may also reduce community access to facilities where this allows them to remove a net cost.

[Leithen]

s2kjock said:

simoid said:

Any estimates of how much it would add to fees? Talking of Edinburgh schools, they’re gonna take a right hit when it’s £500 per car park space too!

They won't be adding 20% to fees as the customer base couldn't support it and it would consequently affect sustainability of many schools. I imagine there will be a higher than normal annual fee increase combined with a reduction in bursary provision (ie giving away reduced free places). They may also reduce community access to facilities where this allows them to remove a net cost.

Most likely there will be consecutive fee increases of 5-6% each year for the next five years plus. The dance between bursary provision and maintaining the charity qualification will be finessed. Scholarships are already greatly reduced in discount terms. Every board will be looking to keep its discounted fees percentage within a tight band.

The whole sector is slowly becoming far more commercial, with a much better marketing/sales approach. Parents are now seen as customers (at last). The poor performance of the state sector continues to make the private provision desirable, but the product is not getting any cheaper, especially boarding provision.

It is a buyers market however, so deals can be done.

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

Be interested to hear people’s views on Mrs Sturgeon’s points?

Did she make any new points? I strongly doubt it, and if not, then you know what everyone;s thoughts are already.

She's a . She's not very good at running Scotland. Nobody cares about her views on Brexit. And she can gtf with another referendum. The rest is extraneous noise.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

Mrs Sturgeon articulating her points and policies well on The Andrew Marr Show right now. ??

Is she inventing figures like you?

[NoddyonNitrous]

She's abandoned her insistence on a referendum as a prerequisite for SNP getting their hands on some power.

sturgeon said:

I'm not asking Labour to support Scottish independence, I'm not even asking them to support the idea that there should be another independence referendum.

I'm making the reasonable request that they respect the principle, which is that if there's a referendum, and the timing of the referendum, should not be matters for Westminster to determine

[DuncsGTi]

Maybe I'm getting mixed up here but I thought the removal of charitable status for tax purposes would make them liable for VAT hence an increase of 20%

[Mrr T]

DuncsGTi said:

Maybe I'm getting mixed up here but I thought the removal of charitable status for tax purposes would make them liable for VAT hence an increase of 20%

Yes. But the removal of charitable status would also allow them to stop all the things they do to achieve charitable status. Bursaries, sharing of facilities with the state sector etc etc. So allowing them to reduce the fees so less overall increase.

This plus the fact many parent could not afford to pay higher fees so would have to put their children into the state system. Its quite possible the costs would be greater than the revenue.

Edited by Mrr T on Sunday 8th December 12:36

[Evercross]

Edinburger said:

Be interested to hear people’s views on Mrs Sturgeon’s points? As always, she puts herself across very, very well...

As a party acolyte you are programmed to say that. She does not put her points across 'very, very well', what she does do is repeat the same phrases in the same order in reaction to the same stimulus and you nod your head in agreement because you have been conditioned by her repetitiveness - all you and others who think that is 'a good performance' are experiencing is psychological conditioning.

Try analysing what she is saying rather than how she is saying it and you will appreciate that it stands up to no scrutiny. Nicola is the biggest purveyor of lies and false prospectus in this whole campaign - even objectively worse than Boris Johnson and the Conservatives. The SNP's is the only manifesto that is not costed, and their main policy of independence in Europe is predicated on lies.

There's a view - now digest it!

[Welshbeef]

Edinburger said:

Be interested to hear people’s views on Mrs Sturgeon’s points? As always, she puts herself across very, very well whether or not you agree with her. Wasn’t Andrew Marr’s finest interview.

csd19 (and others) - I’ll reply to your perfectly valid points on the last pages shortly. Need to head out to kids football just now and I have a busy day ahead, but I will get back to you shortly.

Hi I’ve watched it this morning.

If you view it as very very good she simply repeats her message - as such by default you must think Boris is also very very good as he has the exact same style stick to the massage or move back to it within any answer/question.

[General Price]

Did she mention meeting with Leidos in February,a few weeks after awarding them a multi million pound NHS contract.

They are an American defence company,you know those Americans Sturgeon is going to save the NHS from.

Her hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[s2kjock]

DuncsGTi said:

Maybe I'm getting mixed up here but I thought the removal of charitable status for tax purposes would make them liable for VAT hence an increase of 20%

Not necessarily. The provision of education or vocational training is exempt from VAT if provided by an "eligible body". A charity is likely to be an eligible body, but my understanding is that an eligible body need not be a charity.

VAT status and charitable status are not directly linked. Many charities are VAT registered.

[anonymous-user]

General Price said:

Did she mention meeting with Leidos in February,a few weeks after awarding them a multi million pound NHS contract.

They are an American defence company,you know those Americans Sturgeon is going to save the NHS from.

Her hypocrisy knows no bounds.

The whole SNP campaign has been about the Tories selling the NHS to the US yet she is doing this in Scotland.

You really could not make it up.

[Welshbeef]

General Price said:

Did she mention meeting with Leidos in February,a few weeks after awarding them a multi million pound NHS contract.

They are an American defence company,you know those Americans Sturgeon is going to save the NHS from.

Her hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Burger - given the very very good comment earlier. Can you address this issue - she is battering the Torys on some Russian leaked document that may or may not be true and has stated the Torys will sell out to the USA..... yet evidently the SNP have already done it.

QED

[Evercross]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

General Price said:

Did she mention meeting with Leidos in February,a few weeks after awarding them a multi million pound NHS contract.

They are an American defence company,you know those Americans Sturgeon is going to save the NHS from.

Her hypocrisy knows no bounds.

The whole SNP campaign has been about the Tories selling the NHS to the US yet she is doing this in Scotland.

You really could not make it up.

I have said it before but it bears repeating - the SNP's brand of politics is the most dishonest and corrosive because Nationalist supporters wilfully turn blind eyes to SNP hypocrisy because of the mantra 'the wrong things for the right reasons', giving license to Sturgeon and her ilk to act in the most dishonest, damaging, corrupt and undemocratic of ways, and for that each and every one should be ashamed of themselves.

I had a colleague at work hit me with exactly the same nonsense that 'burger spouted to me recently in here - that once independence was achieved it would not be the SNP ruling Scotland so they should not be judged so harshly because the goal of independence was more important.

'burger - I include you (and your absent pal Strocky, the Bandit and the other PH SNP acolytes) in the above statement. To paraphrase a Nationalist campaign slogan - 'do you understand why anything but the SNP yet?'

[Kakopetria]

You’ll have to wait for a reply from Burger I’m afraid, he is to busy calling Alfredo Morelos a prick over on the football site.

[DocJock]

He's not wrong all the time then...

[Cantaloupe]

Edinburger said:

Mrs Sturgeon articulating her points and policies well on The Andrew Marr Show right now. ??

She's their best asset, she's knows now is not the time for Indyref2 , the polls are still 50/50, but I suspect the hardliners in the party are looking to ditch her.

[Evercross]

Cantaloupe said:

Edinburger said:

Mrs Sturgeon articulating her points and policies well on The Andrew Marr Show right now. ??

She's their best asset, she's knows now is not the time for Indyref2 , the polls are still 50/50, but I suspect the hardliners in the party are looking to ditch her.

Hence...

Her election campaign was never about independence or Brexit. Blackford was never fronted because this was about her shoring up her position as leader. She hawked herself around the world the last year hoping someone would offer her a post-FM stipend and nobody bit, so she's realised her only hope is to cling on as SNP leader in Holyrood a bit longer (because, let's face it, the minute she's ousted from her position hubby Murrell will be getting his jotters immediately after).

[ABZ RS6]

Evercross said:

Hence...

Her election campaign was never about independence or Brexit..

You must be having a laugh.

It’s all she has fukin bleated on about for weeks (and the months/years before the election campaign).