Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
Strocky said:
exitwound said:
I work very hard for my wedge and I want it to stay in my wallet.. Not interested in subsidising the socialist lifestyles. I'm no Tory, but why would I want to vote myself an income tax rise?? Instead of a nation of handouts and subsidies, it should encourage hard work and enterprise to create wealth.
I've worked under a labour govt before that hit me with 45p in the pound, some of these 'working class heroes' need to try that.
Corbyn's socialist utopia (check out his wee 2 up 2 down 'in a row' house and his tractor workers hat, that says it all!!) of govt sponsored, health, industry, food, clothing, housing, transport, holidays etc all paid for by us, the real workers, sounds as much of a nightmare as it did in 1969. NS and Patsy Harvie have the same dream. F*ck them..
Forget Pistonheads, its public transport for you if they get their way..
You support and endorse Tory economic policy and I'm assuming will vote Tory based on that and there's nothing wrong with that, if that's the prism you view through, however the phrase you uttered "I'm no Tory" is patently untrueI've worked under a labour govt before that hit me with 45p in the pound, some of these 'working class heroes' need to try that.
Corbyn's socialist utopia (check out his wee 2 up 2 down 'in a row' house and his tractor workers hat, that says it all!!) of govt sponsored, health, industry, food, clothing, housing, transport, holidays etc all paid for by us, the real workers, sounds as much of a nightmare as it did in 1969. NS and Patsy Harvie have the same dream. F*ck them..
Forget Pistonheads, its public transport for you if they get their way..
Btw don't tell anyone but the SNP aren't as socialist as they'd make you believe
Strocky said:
The irony from dumb and dumber on here calling out about abusive labeling (not that I agree with wholesale labeling a group based on their politics), given the bile & vitriol they've posted about Independence supporters & politicians on this thread, is stunning in it's lack of self awareness
Assuming you're talking about me here I'm naturally disagree. Politicians are one thing, they're fair game afaiac. But independence supporters? Do I think they're a bit slow, susceptible to milk and honey, jam tomorrow bulls
t of the most obvious SNP kind? A bit backward re the ffrreeedoooom angle? Yep. Unable to put together a measured and coherent idea of what Scotland might look like when 'independent'? I've never heard one yet. Unable to answer basic questions around currency, costs, timeframes, EU membership etc etc? The SNP can't even answer these, never mind the sheep.But do I call them sub human? Don't think so. Do I think (and broadcast to thousands) that they are pieces of s
t?Considering what's at stake I see very little of the bile and vitriol you describe. Lot of questions, not many answers. But feel free to address any of the points I have raised.
r11co said:
kowalski655 said:
All nasty Tory benefit cuts...That the SNP could choose to take over, if they were not totally incompetent
But they aren't 'nasty Tory benefit cuts' - they are soundbite narratives hyperbolised to appeal to the hard of thinking. There is no such thing as the 'bedroom tax' (to the extent that the media prefix the term with the phrase 'so-called'). Neither is there a 'rape clause', and as for the 'stealing mobility cars from the disabled' I think the late Arnold Clark had more to lose from the increased monitoring of the abuse of the Motability Car scheme than any genuinely disabled individual.All of course could be adjusted by ScotGov using devolved welfare powers, but why bother when they can sit on their hands over the issue, confident that their lies blaming a powerless opposition will be believed by a percentage of the populous. Or could it be that there is no issue and it is all just hype to stir the hate, or horror of horrors - the SNP actually agree with the measures.
On a related note, my brother and his paraplegic wife invariably 'share' any social media post echoing these bulls
t soundbites, yet despite their particular circle of friends and acquaintances they know of no-one who has been disadvantaged by the alleged 'Tory cuts'. This is the same brother of mine who gave up a well-paid job at Sky TV to register as a carer for his missus (who managed very well on her own before he met her, and she has the photographs of herself piloting the sailing boats to prove it) because it would increase their household income.Edited by r11co on Monday 24th April 17:14
)Nothing wrong in ensuring the welfare budget goes to those that need it, although sometimes the system goes wrong & makes great "nasty toaries" headlines.
Why should someone on benefits get use of a huge house(friend of the OH has a mum living in a 3 bed council house , alone, and just sleeps in the lounge, but refuses to move)
Rape clause? Just give the crime number to DWP & you get the benefit...not hard or intrusive!
And having worked for Motability's insurers, I know what a piss take a lot of it was,nothing wrong in making sure the right people get them, & they arent used as taxis or for family that are 50 miles away
The Motability one was the biggest piss take of them all. The amount of grandkids running around in a free Corsa (thanks 'nan) was shocking.
Ditto the council house wastage. I was at school with kids who have tenancy now on the 3 and even 4 bed council house they grew up in and its literally just them in it now that their parents have passed.
Somethings not right somewhere. Changing all that doesn't stop the need for tax reform at the other end though on both hyper rich individuals and companies evading tax and I'll hope to see the next government go after that part of the tax black hole also.
One is as bad as the other.
Ditto the council house wastage. I was at school with kids who have tenancy now on the 3 and even 4 bed council house they grew up in and its literally just them in it now that their parents have passed.
Somethings not right somewhere. Changing all that doesn't stop the need for tax reform at the other end though on both hyper rich individuals and companies evading tax and I'll hope to see the next government go after that part of the tax black hole also.
One is as bad as the other.
So, Holyrood is actually going to be debating matters that it is competent to legislate on today, but is ScotGov tabling a bill to maintain the status quo and reject the reforms or proffer an alternative reform package?
Are they hell! The debate is just more political points scoring. Since when did parliamentary unanimity matter to the SNP?
Interesting to note though that 'so-called' is also now prefixing 'rape clause' by reporters on Radio Scotland this morning.
They are also going to be having a vote on another matter they are competent to legislate on (wow, twice in one day!) The SNP want to slash airport duty by 50% before abolishing it completely. So green and so socialist they are!
Funny how it was put to me by Strocky that I was hiding my political views, because it seems that by voting for the SNP many people get exactly the opposite of what they were told they were voting for. Apparently "a vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence" (Nicola Sturgeon, 2015) and the SNP are the "true party of the left in Scotland" (Mhairi Black, 2015). A political party intentionally misrepresenting their views is a political party no-one can credibly vote for.
Fracking decision due in June, BTW.
Are they hell! The debate is just more political points scoring. Since when did parliamentary unanimity matter to the SNP?
Interesting to note though that 'so-called' is also now prefixing 'rape clause' by reporters on Radio Scotland this morning.
They are also going to be having a vote on another matter they are competent to legislate on (wow, twice in one day!) The SNP want to slash airport duty by 50% before abolishing it completely. So green and so socialist they are!
Funny how it was put to me by Strocky that I was hiding my political views, because it seems that by voting for the SNP many people get exactly the opposite of what they were told they were voting for. Apparently "a vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence" (Nicola Sturgeon, 2015) and the SNP are the "true party of the left in Scotland" (Mhairi Black, 2015). A political party intentionally misrepresenting their views is a political party no-one can credibly vote for.
Fracking decision due in June, BTW.
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 25th April 11:10
A.J.M said:
I haven't forgotten about getting pictures of the fracking letter.
Said person stays in Wishaw, so anyone in the nearby area may also have one/get one.
I'm in the ML2 postcode and while I dont have the letter (my mad dog probably ate it if it came through the letterbox) my wife heard fracking being talked about in the pharmacy last week.Said person stays in Wishaw, so anyone in the nearby area may also have one/get one.
So dont worry it's likely you didn’t imagine it after all.
Only 40 per cent of Scots back independence, according to latest poll
https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/only-40-cen...
https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/only-40-cen...
FN2TypeR said:
Probably an outlier tbh, most other polls of late have been returning results similar to the referendum outcome.
Agreed. Although the last two high number (for independence) polls I've seen were conducted in that most balanced of areas, greater Glasgow. As that was a overwhelmingly majority area for independence the last crack at this, it would actually suggest polling 48-52% on for independence that the numbers for it have went down, not up.
It all depends on if you look past the headline or not. Thats the generic 'you' I mean, not a personal reflection.
Edited by Hainey on Tuesday 25th April 19:28
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgoen/status/84227300...
Can we not link these properly like an image or am I being thick? Either way, this is great. See also the one a few posts down. 9 seconds.
Can we not link these properly like an image or am I being thick? Either way, this is great. See also the one a few posts down. 9 seconds.
technodup said:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgoen/status/84227300...
Can we not link these properly like an image or am I being thick? Either way, this is great. See also the one a few posts down. 9 seconds.
Can we not link these properly like an image or am I being thick? Either way, this is great. See also the one a few posts down. 9 seconds.
Very good.Twitter poll on the "most obnoxious nationalist", with a notable winner beating Le Pen, Farage, and Gerry Adams...
https://twitter.com/TheRedRag/status/8562830846013...
https://twitter.com/TheRedRag/status/8562830846013...
jsc15 said:
Twitter poll on the "most obnoxious nationalist", with a notable winner beating Le Pen, Farage, and Gerry Adams...
https://twitter.com/TheRedRag/status/8562830846013...
Interesting counterpoint to the rape clause in the replies belowhttps://twitter.com/TheRedRag/status/8562830846013...
Sylvaforever said:
#ScotRef It's not. £15billion deficit it's just what they have budgeted they will take from us, but won't get.You learn something new every day!
FN2TypeR said:
Sylvaforever said:
#ScotRef It's not. £15billion deficit it's just what they have budgeted they will take from us, but won't get.You learn something new every day!
El stovey said:
FN2TypeR said:
Sylvaforever said:
#ScotRef It's not. £15billion deficit it's just what they have budgeted they will take from us, but won't get.You learn something new every day!
IT'S OUR RIGHT GAWD DAMNIT
gofasterrosssco said:
Strocky said:
exitwound said:
I work very hard for my wedge and I want it to stay in my wallet.. Not interested in subsidising the socialist lifestyles. I'm no Tory, but why would I want to vote myself an income tax rise?? Instead of a nation of handouts and subsidies, it should encourage hard work and enterprise to create wealth.
I've worked under a labour govt before that hit me with 45p in the pound, some of these 'working class heroes' need to try that.
Corbyn's socialist utopia (check out his wee 2 up 2 down 'in a row' house and his tractor workers hat, that says it all!!) of govt sponsored, health, industry, food, clothing, housing, transport, holidays etc all paid for by us, the real workers, sounds as much of a nightmare as it did in 1969. NS and Patsy Harvie have the same dream. F*ck them..
Forget Pistonheads, its public transport for you if they get their way..
You support and endorse Tory economic policy and I'm assuming will vote Tory based on that and there's nothing wrong with that, if that's the prism you view through, however the phrase you uttered "I'm no Tory" is patently untrueI've worked under a labour govt before that hit me with 45p in the pound, some of these 'working class heroes' need to try that.
Corbyn's socialist utopia (check out his wee 2 up 2 down 'in a row' house and his tractor workers hat, that says it all!!) of govt sponsored, health, industry, food, clothing, housing, transport, holidays etc all paid for by us, the real workers, sounds as much of a nightmare as it did in 1969. NS and Patsy Harvie have the same dream. F*ck them..
Forget Pistonheads, its public transport for you if they get their way..
Btw don't tell anyone but the SNP aren't as socialist as they'd make you believe
http://www.scotsman.com/news/snp-mp-calls-on-green...
I do like the lines,
Last week, the Scottish Greens co-convener Maggie Chapman said she would be “quite happy for us [Greens] to support non-Green candidates if it meant getting Tories out of Scotland and making sure we had elected representatives who walk the walk of the politics of the new Scotland we want to see,”
Such a nice rosy future.
Wonder if Harvey is regretting jumping in bed with wee Nippy yet.
I do like the lines,
Last week, the Scottish Greens co-convener Maggie Chapman said she would be “quite happy for us [Greens] to support non-Green candidates if it meant getting Tories out of Scotland and making sure we had elected representatives who walk the walk of the politics of the new Scotland we want to see,”
Such a nice rosy future.
Wonder if Harvey is regretting jumping in bed with wee Nippy yet.
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