Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
Rollin said:
B210bandit said:
No inconsistency. Self-determination for both England and Scotland is not incompatible.
Self determination for areas that vote against independence.Oh and while were here what is that PISH appearing on the front of police cars?
Kccv23highliftcam said:
the amount of building going on in Dundee is .......amazing.....
it's a pity the clown that does the road planning hasn't got a clue, could be worse though,they might have got someone as bad as fife.whoever programs the traffic light syncing needs to have a word with themselves as well.wc98 said:
Kccv23highliftcam said:
the amount of building going on in Dundee is .......amazing.....
it's a pity the clown that does the road planning hasn't got a clue, could be worse though,they might have got someone as bad as fife.whoever programs the traffic light syncing needs to have a word with themselves as well.
t.The amount of housing estates construction going on around the angus border line and up towards Muirhead from the swallow roundabout like 600 houses?? where's the countryside suddenly gone.
Utter greed from Dundee council. Such a shame that their plans to traffic light said roundabout [to enable what, 1200 cars to move out in rush hour] have come unstuck....
Kccv23highliftcam said:
r11co said:
In other news, here's some more of that 'different kind of politics'.
Oh dear; oh deary dear.The whole thing smells of corruption, with Jim McColl taking over the remains of non-viable business Fergusons, then Fergusons mysteriously win the CalMac contract, then they hold ScotGov to ransom threatening to fold again? Lack of due-diligence and/or a scam?
Derek MacKay should hang for this as he deliberately misled Holyrood. He won't though because the SNP acolytes have skins thicker than rhinos, plus their support would forgive them if they were caught red-handed killing babies.
In further news Mike Russell's toys are now out the pram because there are signs Brexit isn't going to be the clusterf
k he pinned his reputation on saying it was going to be. As always for the hard-of-thinking grievancemongers, Russell is either too stupid or intentionally obtuse to realise that the very thing the NI agreement is intended to avoid (ie. a hard border between NI and Eire) would, if applied to Scotland, require a hard border between Scotland and England.Edited by r11co on Wednesday 19th September 13:12
r11co said:
And it is getting worse.
The whole thing smells of corruption, with Jim McColl taking over the remains of non-viable business Fergusons, then Fergusons mysteriously win the CalMac contract, then they hold ScotGov to ransom threatening to fold again? Lack of due-diligence and/or a scam?
Derek MacKay should hang for this as he deliberately misled Holyrood. He won't though because the SNP acolytes have skins thicker than rhinos, plus their support would forgive them if they were caught red-handed killing babies.
the problem with the SNP faithful is- they wont even care, McColl saved all these poor working class peoples jobs. If it costs the SNP a wee bit more to help support these jobs, they wont care, they have helped the poor/ hard done by.......... all those rich tory voters can afford additional tax to cover the costThe whole thing smells of corruption, with Jim McColl taking over the remains of non-viable business Fergusons, then Fergusons mysteriously win the CalMac contract, then they hold ScotGov to ransom threatening to fold again? Lack of due-diligence and/or a scam?
Derek MacKay should hang for this as he deliberately misled Holyrood. He won't though because the SNP acolytes have skins thicker than rhinos, plus their support would forgive them if they were caught red-handed killing babies.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 19th September 13:12
Herald article: “Asked if the SNP would support a second vote on Brexit, Mr Russell said he would be “happy” to sit down with the LibDems and other proponents of a People’s Vote.
However he said it would have to factor in what would happen if Scotland voted again to Remain and the UK vote overall was to Leave.”
Re the last sentence - I assume that will apply to different constituencies in Scotland when our next generation have an indyref.
However he said it would have to factor in what would happen if Scotland voted again to Remain and the UK vote overall was to Leave.”
Re the last sentence - I assume that will apply to different constituencies in Scotland when our next generation have an indyref.
malks222 said:
the problem with the SNP faithful is- they wont even care, McColl saved all these poor working class peoples jobs. If it costs the SNP a wee bit more to help support these jobs, they wont care, they have helped the poor/ hard done by.......... all those rich tory voters can afford additional tax to cover the cost
Important to remember the volume of cash the SNP government have burnt on middle class tax breaks:Free personal care
Free prescriptions
Council tax freeze (to the detriment of local services)
Free university education (to the detriment of low earners who require bursaries)
Etc
malks222 said:
the problem with the SNP faithful is- they wont even care, McColl saved all these poor working class peoples jobs. If it costs the SNP a wee bit more to help support these jobs, they wont care, they have helped the poor/ hard done by.......... all those rich tory voters can afford additional tax to cover the cost
Just another example of that SNP doublethink that Strocky and the Bandit have patently demonstrated in the past few pages, and proves the point above about conflating independence with anti-toryism as being the biggest barrier to independence the SNP will always face. Tax-haven dwelling McColl who is 10th on the Sunday Times Rich List is a benevolent saviour, yet all those middle-class voters they need to get them over the line but are taxing at a greater level than rUK are 'rich tories'.
.simoid said:
Important to remember the volume of cash the SNP government have burnt on middle class tax breaks:
Free personal care
Free prescriptions
Council tax freeze (to the detriment of local services)
Free university education (to the detriment of low earners who require bursaries)
Etc
Didn't realise it was means tested so the working class don't catch a break Free personal care
Free prescriptions
Council tax freeze (to the detriment of local services)
Free university education (to the detriment of low earners who require bursaries)
Etc
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/1...
So you are happy that "free" means less people from poor backgrounds go to university? And that better off families get something they could easily have paid for.
I assume you are also happy that NHS trusts are struggling because people are wanting, for free, things they could buy for very little in a supermarket?
So you are happy that "free" means less people from poor backgrounds go to university? And that better off families get something they could easily have paid for.
I assume you are also happy that NHS trusts are struggling because people are wanting, for free, things they could buy for very little in a supermarket?
Strocky said:
simoid said:
Important to remember the volume of cash the SNP government have burnt on middle class tax breaks:
Free personal care
Free prescriptions
Council tax freeze (to the detriment of local services)
Free university education (to the detriment of low earners who require bursaries)
Etc
Didn't realise it was means tested so the working class don't catch a break Free personal care
Free prescriptions
Council tax freeze (to the detriment of local services)
Free university education (to the detriment of low earners who require bursaries)
Etc
Personal care and prescriptions were made free for all, when previously I believe only lowest earners didn’t have to pay. No benefit to lowest earners.
Council tax freeze disproportionately benefits the highest bands. Council cuts hit the lowest earners.
Lowest earners are least likely to go to university. Since the fees have been abolished, grants and bursaries have been cut too.
So, yes, “the working class don’t catch a break.”
simoid said:
Strocky said:
simoid said:
Important to remember the volume of cash the SNP government have burnt on middle class tax breaks:
Free personal care
Free prescriptions
Council tax freeze (to the detriment of local services)
Free university education (to the detriment of low earners who require bursaries)
Etc
Didn't realise it was means tested so the working class don't catch a break Free personal care
Free prescriptions
Council tax freeze (to the detriment of local services)
Free university education (to the detriment of low earners who require bursaries)
Etc
Personal care and prescriptions were made free for all, when previously I believe only lowest earners didn’t have to pay. No benefit to lowest earners.
Council tax freeze disproportionately benefits the highest bands. Council cuts hit the lowest earners.
Lowest earners are least likely to go to university. Since the fees have been abolished, grants and bursaries have been cut too.
So, yes, “the working class don’t catch a break.”
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Siemens. And they are st.
The amount of housing estates construction going on around the angus border line and up towards Muirhead from the swallow roundabout like 600 houses?? where's the countryside suddenly gone.
Utter greed from Dundee council. Such a shame that their plans to traffic light said roundabout [to enable what, 1200 cars to move out in rush hour] have come unstuck....
it's a very different drive up the east coast compared to twenty years ago,that's for sure.t.The amount of housing estates construction going on around the angus border line and up towards Muirhead from the swallow roundabout like 600 houses?? where's the countryside suddenly gone.
Utter greed from Dundee council. Such a shame that their plans to traffic light said roundabout [to enable what, 1200 cars to move out in rush hour] have come unstuck....
Strocky said:
Didn't realise it was means tested so the working class don't catch a break
Why does a supposedly left of centre party support so many benefits primarily for the middle classes? Shouldn’t they pay with funds saved aimed at alleviating poverty? Middle classes pay nothing to execute their children while food banks multiply.Helicopter123 said:
Why does a supposedly left of centre party support so many benefits primarily for the middle classes?
That's the thing though - they aren't a left-of-centre party.They aren't an anything party. They are a protest group that found themselves in government by default, got themselves in a position where they could put their protest motivation to a democratic vote and lost and now they are floundering around trying to figure out how they can actually get themselves into a position to have another go.
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