Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[rossub]

wobert said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

You have to wonder if these daily trips to the Court of Session are an attempt to overthrow the Brexit process, or more to do with Joanna Cherry positioning herself in prime position to takeover from the lovely Nicola?

I had hoped for a headless chicken scenario without Krankie, but this woman does seem to be getting a lot of air time all of a sudden.

[FN2TypeR]

The SNP undermined any chance of them ever gaining their allegedly much desired iScotland the day they said that the terms of the Brexit negotiations should be subject to a referendum, any successful yes vote and the subsequent negotiations would have to be done under the same terms, they'd never win a referendum on the terms of any separation deal

[Evercross]

wobert said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

You have to wonder if these daily trips to the Court of Session are an attempt to overthrow the Brexit process, or more to do with Joanna Cherry positioning herself in prime position to takeover from the lovely Nicola?

Exactly this, but she's taking the line that 'her' victory over the prorogation thing somehow propelled her into the limelight and by repeating the feat she will stay there, notwithstanding that she isn't nearly as photogenic as Gina Millar and the general public now think the prorogation decision was a technical 'pyrrhic' victory with little practical effect.

Anyone paying any attention to her now just sees her as a bitter wee points scorer, plus she is mighty unpopular within her own party.

[Evercross]

Date has been set for Alex Salmond's criminal preliminary hearing.

Meanwhile, Cherry has been trying to raise her profile in her typically crass way....

Alex Salmond was SNP’s greatest leader, says MP tipped to succeed Nicola Sturgeon.

I'm not Nicola's best mate.

The battle lines are clearly drawn, and if the Salmond case doesn't split the party then Cherry running as/becoming leader certainly will.

I suspect the slightly more moderate fringe of the party will coalesce behind Dopey Derek MacKay as their choice for leader. Either way, the SNP will be as screwed as Labour currently are in Scotland when Sturgeon departs the job as her successors hate each other and are utterly incompetent personality vacuums.

[Dinoboy]

Derek McKay as leader

[Evercross]

Dinoboy said:

Derek McKay as leader

I know!

But it is becoming increasingly apparent that Cherry is already lining up her leadership bid and I cannot think of anyone else in the party trying to up their exposure other than MacKay.

Blackford could throw his hat in the ring but he's probably even more toxic a figure than Cherry, notwithstanding he's a bigger bullstter than Boris ('humble crofter' indeed) and he's been known to get a bit 'handy'.

[FN2TypeR]

Is there any indication that Sturgeon is going anywhere anytime soon? : confused:

[Evercross]

FN2TypeR said:

Is there any indication that Sturgeon is going anywhere anytime soon? : confused:

She's been touting herself to various 'international bodies' as a possible representative so that suggests she's got one eye on the future. Who knows also what mud will start getting slung when Salmond enters the dock.

Also, the very fact that Cherry is talking in terms of being a possible future leader is a problem for Sturgeon. If everyone in the party thought Sturgeon was nailed in for the long term then there would be no such talk.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 22 October 12:11

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Evercross said:

FN2TypeR said:

Is there any indication that Sturgeon is going anywhere anytime soon? : confused:

She's been touting herself to various 'international bodies' as a possible representative so that suggests she's got one eye on the future. Who knows also what mud will start getting slung when Salmond enters the dock.

We live in interesting times I am looking forward to that mud being slung.

[Evercross]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

We live in interesting times I am looking forward to that mud being slung.

I am concerned that a cover-up may have already taken place as Sturgeon is torn between seeing an alleged sex-pest brought to justice and covering her own back as his ego would prefer seeing everyone taken down with him rather than going quietly for the sake of the party.

One hopes the poileas are not relying solely on the evidence of the civil servant Salmond had smeared (and going by the charge list that appears not to be a vain hope).

[FN2TypeR]

Evercross said:

FN2TypeR said:

Is there any indication that Sturgeon is going anywhere anytime soon? : confused:

She's been touting herself to various 'international bodies' as a possible representative so that suggests she's got one eye on the future. Who knows also what mud will start getting slung when Salmond enters the dock.

Also, the very fact that Cherry is talking in terms of being a possible future leader is a problem for Sturgeon. If everyone in the party thought Sturgeon was nailed in for the long term then there would be no such talk.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 22 October 12:11

Yeah that was my thinking, they're normally a very closed ranked party, this even being discussed is unusual for them.

[NoddyonNitrous]

FN2TypeR said:

The SNP undermined any chance of them ever gaining their allegedly much desired iScotland the day they said that the terms of the Brexit negotiations should be subject to a referendum, any successful yes vote and the subsequent negotiations would have to be done under the same terms, they'd never win a referendum on the terms of any separation deal

I think the SNP are desperate for a Brexit to happen now on the back of the UK referendum. Then they don’t have to explain the scenario of Independence being the cause of Scotland leaving the EU, but can present it as an English-imposed situation ‘against our will’.

[technodup]

Evercross said:

Meanwhile, Cherry has been trying to raise her profile in her typically crass way....

Another one for a permanent spot on the 'faces you'd never tire of punching' thread. Absolute of a woman.

[Klippie]

She's an embarrassment to Scotland, they tied her in knots - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaD959SgOjw

I know more people who can't stand the SNP that like them, they will tell as many as will listen that the SNP speak for the people of Scotland...they absolutley do not.

[Murph7355]

Klippie said:

She's an embarrassment to Scotland, they tied her in knots - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaD959SgOjw

I know more people who can't stand the SNP that like them, they will tell as many as will listen that the SNP speak for the people of Scotland...they absolutley do not.

And yet...they still win 56 seats in Parliament.

How so?

[paulwoof]

thatcher

labour party shambles

tunnocks teacakes

[hidetheelephants]

Murph7355 said:

Klippie said:

She's an embarrassment to Scotland, they tied her in knots - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaD959SgOjw

I know more people who can't stand the SNP that like them, they will tell as many as will listen that the SNP speak for the people of Scotland...they absolutley do not.

And yet...they still win 56 seats in Parliament.

How so?

Because FPTP is a somewhat flawed electoral system.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

I've absolutely no idea if it would be cheaper or not.

It is. Did you not notice the tram works and all the necessary gubbins to put the rails in and move utilities? Of course you didn’t.

Edinburger said:

If you're a visitor to Edinburgh, just try getting on a big, loud,

Trams are bigger and just as loud as buses, if not louder than hybrid/electric buses.

Edinburger said:

dirty bus

They’re just as clean as trams.

Edinburger said:

which is cramped

Another peculiar comment. Fairly sure the seats are similar room but we could rearrange buses to have more legroom I’m sure, with £1,000,000,000.

Edinburger said:

and stops at umpteen stops along the way and is regularly held up by other buses, traffic lights, etc.

Express buses stop as frequently or less so than trams. Buses are quicker at present, and would be even quicker and not held up by other traffic on the bus route following the tram route. The trams actually hold buses up now! And what happens when a tram breaks down? It’s all fked. When a bus breaks down you get the next.

Edinburger said:

Compare that experience to boarding a bright and airy tram which glides along the trams unhindered by other trams with fewer and more strategically placed stops. The tell me what was the better experience.

Same experience. One cost every resident £5k. One already existed...

Edinburger said:

I know a few people who commute from Livingston and other areas of West Lothian. they drive to Ingliston where they park free and get the tram into town.

Absolute no brainer.

No brainer indeed.

Jeez. Speak with commuters and visitors. Ask them if they'd prefer to sit on a fast comfortable tram gliding effortlessly between stops or a bus held up behind every other blooming bus in the bus lane.

Subjective, but the tram is a far better experience in my view. And get over the spend - it's already been spent.

You could also ask why we're spending £18bn on Crossrail when you can get on other trains to make the same journey. But that's not SNP bashing.

[Edinburger]

rossub said:

This thread has an amazing ability to go completely off topic on every page.

Yep. Since Vol. 1...

[Edinburger]

hidetheelephants said:

Murph7355 said:

Klippie said:

She's an embarrassment to Scotland, they tied her in knots - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaD959SgOjw

I know more people who can't stand the SNP that like them, they will tell as many as will listen that the SNP speak for the people of Scotland...they absolutley do not.

And yet...they still win 56 seats in Parliament.

How so?

Because FPTP is a somewhat flawed electoral system.

In Scotland, we use the Additional Member System.