Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

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Welshbeef

38,396 posts

146 months

Monday 18th November
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There is a reason why Spain and the EU doesn’t permit Basque from leaving Spain.

The Mad Monk

5,992 posts

65 months

Monday 18th November
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Welshbeef said:
There is a reason why Spain and the EU doesn’t permit Basque from leaving Spain.
Wossat?

hotchy

1,184 posts

74 months

Monday 18th November
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Big Robbo said:
What I find difficult to understand is...there was a referendum to leave, the people of Scotland voted to remain as part of the UK. How do the SNP now justify their existence? Or will it be a case of let's keep having votes until the losing side get a result they want?
Shes already stated they wont stop. It's a massive slap in the face for remainers tbh. Infact I think theyll get a we shock this december. Theyll still get a majority, but they will loose a fair few seats. Infact one seat only got in by 1 actual vote last time. Mental. Cant wait until she is punted out.

Evercross

925 posts

12 months

Monday 18th November
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hutchst said:
768c said:
Yes. Hence the second one in a whole 'lifetime' of 5 years.
It wasn't a lifetime, it was a generation. Which, in some parts of Scotland, is just over 10 years.
Indeed. As the joke goes - what do you call a 21 year-old girl in Springburn?







Gran!


Meanwhile, it has been pointed out over the many iterations of this thread going back over the years that the SNP suffers a real dearth of talent for a load of reasons we can all speculate on (IMO the main one being the basic premise on which they exist being xenophobia, which the majority of intelligent people consider a repugnant and repulsive notion), and here's more evidence of that lack of a talent pool...

Yesterday’s men and Sturgeon’s cynical bid to revive their flagging careers.

Long-term MEP Alyn Smith's decision to run as an MP tells me two things - 1. He and therefore the SNP are resigned to Brexit happening, and 2. They are not taking attempts to have a confirmatory EU referendum seriously and it is indeed all a sham to gain their main aim of another indyref. The SNP are indeed taking remainers for fools.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 18th November 07:19

Earthdweller

3,369 posts

74 months

Monday 18th November
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glazbagun said:
Being a Scot who is pretty much trapped in the south due to my career choices, I often fantasize about educating/reakilling my way back home to an in demand career, but it already seems that there isn't enough demand to make any clear choice:


https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/uk-skills-shorta...

The UK seems a microcosm of the EU/the world with centres of capital holding the bulk of career choices and the smaller regions being nothing more than a source of labour to fuel the cities.

It's why I think Brexit is a long-term poor idea. Whatever the future is, it seems to be globalist, with economic hubs subsidising smaller regions to produce affordable skilled people to toil away their youth in cities .
I wouldn’t hold the EU up as an example of globalism

It is the opposite, it is insular and protectionist .. completely the opposite of globalist

Neonblau

732 posts

81 months

Monday 18th November
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CambsBill said:
Hmm, this prompted me to do a search on Scottish banknotes - turns out they aren't legal tender at all, not even in Scotland. Instead, they're promissory notes, meaning the issuing banks are legally required to hold an equivalent value of Bank of England notes or gold as security against them.
Whether or not they are legal tender is irrelevant. A bit more searching would have told you that most BoE notes and coins are not "legal tender". Legal tender is a very narrow definition which has nothing to do with whether notes or coins are accepted.

A.J.M

6,467 posts

134 months

Monday 18th November
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/c...


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/c...

Remember. Only a yes can save the NHS.

Edited by A.J.M on Monday 18th November 11:26

768c

2,202 posts

46 months

Monday 18th November
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hutchst said:
768c said:
Yes. Hence the second one in a whole 'lifetime' of 5 years.
It wasn't a lifetime, it was a generation. Which, in some parts of Scotland, is just over 10 years.
It was both. Salmond said 'lifetime' which he later denied.

But there was other things he, erm, denied..

Either way independence isn't going to happen, so it's all moot.

AstonZagato

9,025 posts

158 months

Monday 18th November
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Neonblau said:
CambsBill said:
Hmm, this prompted me to do a search on Scottish banknotes - turns out they aren't legal tender at all, not even in Scotland. Instead, they're promissory notes, meaning the issuing banks are legally required to hold an equivalent value of Bank of England notes or gold as security against them.
Whether or not they are legal tender is irrelevant. A bit more searching would have told you that most BoE notes and coins are not "legal tender". Legal tender is a very narrow definition which has nothing to do with whether notes or coins are accepted.
Agreed but the argument used by independence fanatics that they can use Sterling as they already have Scottish Pounds is pathetic and misguided.

A bit like saying we can manufacture tyres because our car already has tyres.

technodup

5,976 posts

78 months

Monday 18th November
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It's actually great now that we have the Brexit debacle to guide us. It clearly shows the level of difficulty and length of time it takes to do something like independence, and gives me comfort that even if we did have the vote, and even if they won it, they wouldn't be able to get it complete before I'm either out the country or dead.

So do your worst, dheads. smile

CambsBill

909 posts

126 months

Monday 18th November
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Neonblau said:
CambsBill said:
Hmm, this prompted me to do a search on Scottish banknotes - turns out they aren't legal tender at all, not even in Scotland. Instead, they're promissory notes, meaning the issuing banks are legally required to hold an equivalent value of Bank of England notes or gold as security against them.
Whether or not they are legal tender is irrelevant. A bit more searching would have told you that most BoE notes and coins are not "legal tender". Legal tender is a very narrow definition which has nothing to do with whether notes or coins are accepted.
Oh I get that, the more relevant point is surely that the Scottish banks are required to hold BofE notes as surety against whatever they print themselves. If that's true, then that would completely demolish the SNP's assertion that they could just print their own notes & peg to the Pound.

Neonblau

732 posts

81 months

Monday 18th November
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CambsBill said:
Oh I get that, the more relevant point is surely that the Scottish banks are required to hold BofE notes as surety against whatever they print themselves. If that's true, then that would completely demolish the SNP's assertion that they could just print their own notes & peg to the Pound.
Agreed. I also wonder how many of them understand what pegging to the pound involves. I fear they use it interchangeably with sterlingisation/keeping the pound without understanding what would be required.

StescoG66

1,130 posts

91 months

Monday 18th November
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Neonblau said:
CambsBill said:
Oh I get that, the more relevant point is surely that the Scottish banks are required to hold BofE notes as surety against whatever they print themselves. If that's true, then that would completely demolish the SNP's assertion that they could just print their own notes & peg to the Pound.
Agreed. I also wonder how many of them understand what pegging to the pound involves. I fear they use it interchangeably with sterlingisation/keeping the pound without understanding what would be required.
Thing is - is there such as thing as a Scottish bank anymore? Aren't they all just Scottish by name only post 2008?

Pastor Of Muppets

258 posts

10 months

Monday 18th November
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Neonblau said:
I also wonder how many of them understand what pegging to the pound involves.
You must be joking, most of the SNP delinquents would think 'pegging to the pound' was running
down to the place where their seized motor was taken after being stopped for having no insurance
and driving like a bampot (or driving as a bampot as the case would be).biglaugh

Isn't that right Mr Yusaf. laugh

Neonblau

732 posts

81 months

Monday 18th November
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StescoG66 said:
Thing is - is there such as thing as a Scottish bank anymore? Aren't they all just Scottish by name only post 2008?
It doesn't matter, they are all commercial banks.. None of them, Scottish or otherwise, could function as central banks with control over the money supply. Scottish banknotes are simply bits of paper that are a proxy for BoE (i.e. the UK's central bank) notes. The reason that Scottish banks must hold BoE notes in their place is to ensure that the money supply is not increased by their issue.

Evercross

925 posts

12 months

Monday 18th November
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Neonblau said:
It doesn't matter, they are all commercial banks..
..and one them doesn't even exist anymore, except as a name on proxy banknotes...

Demise of Clydesdale brand

Notes.

It bears repeating though that the level of ignorance/wilful bullstting exhibited by certain SNats on this topic is staggering. From Salmond himself all the way through to the clown interviewed by Andrew Neil they lie through their teeth because they know the truth would be unpalatable and fatal to their cause, so better to keep their supporters in the dark and believing the lies.

Ironic then that their conference delegates know it is bullshine and voted instead for the only currency option available to the SNP for the days and months post independence, not because of patriotism but because of realism.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 18th November 14:37

Neonblau

732 posts

81 months

Monday 18th November
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Evercross said:
..and one them doesn't even exist anymore, except as a name on proxy banknotes...

Demise of Clydesdale brand

Notes.

It bears repeating though that the level of ignorance/wilful bullstting exhibited by certain SNats on this topic is staggering. From Salmond himself all the way through to the clown interviewed by Andrew Neil they lie through their teeth because they know the truth would be unpalatable and fatal to their cause, so better to keep their supporters in the dark and believing the lies.

Ironic then that their conference delegates know it is bullshine and voted instead for the only currency option available to the SNP for the days and months post independence, not because of patriotism but because of realism.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 18th November 14:37
Bank of Scotland, whilst a plc is effectively a Lloyds brand. Recent changes in RBS capital structure mean that RBS plc is now owned by the Nat West Holdco.

Big Robbo

278 posts

94 months

Monday 18th November
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Regardless of facts, the most irritating thing of the whole debacle is the whole of the UK have to put up with the troll cropping up every opportunity she gets!

NRS

15,183 posts

149 months

Monday 18th November
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Neonblau said:
CambsBill said:
Oh I get that, the more relevant point is surely that the Scottish banks are required to hold BofE notes as surety against whatever they print themselves. If that's true, then that would completely demolish the SNP's assertion that they could just print their own notes & peg to the Pound.
Agreed. I also wonder how many of them understand what pegging to the pound involves. I fear they use it interchangeably with sterlingisation/keeping the pound without understanding what would be required.
You just know if independence did happen, then the SNP would start complaining about ‘Westminster’ screwing Scotland by changing the interest rate and not asking Scotland.

Mr Tidy

9,783 posts

75 months

Tuesday 19th November
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NRS said:
You just know if independence did happen, then the SNP would start complaining about ‘Westminster’ screwing Scotland by changing the interest rate and not asking Scotland.
Well that would be so inappropriate given that Scotland seems to not have quite 4 Million voters, whereas England has almost 39 Million! So should the UK be ruled by less voters than there are in Birmingham?

My father was born in Muir-of-Ord, but he would never have voted for Independence!

Out of interest when do the English vast majority get to vote on Scottish Independence?

The Scots are welcome to it - then the rest of us can stop subsidising them. furious