Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

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biggbn

22,818 posts

219 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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technodup said:
'd rather live in about a hundred countries than stty wee cold Norway. Might as well be in stty wee cold Scotland. And that's not on the list. Because it's NOT A fkING COUNTRY! hehe
Does that mean England is not a country either? Nor wales or NI? If they aren't, what are they classed as? Genuine question.

roadtripboy

245 posts

141 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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biggbn said:
technodup said:
'd rather live in about a hundred countries than stty wee cold Norway. Might as well be in stty wee cold Scotland. And that's not on the list. Because it's NOT A fkING COUNTRY! hehe
Does that mean England is not a country either? Nor wales or NI? If they aren't, what are they classed as? Genuine question.
Scotland and England are nations; Wales is a principality; NI is a province.

jshell

11,006 posts

204 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Edinburger said:
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
Ooh... Norway... an independent coutry with a population of a similar size to Scotland of 5m'ish... it must be awful there...
True, their taxes and prices are pretty fking horrendous.
But it's still the best country to live in, according to the U.N.
You're on an absolute 'hiding to nothing' with Norway. Some of us on here have lived in Norway for years. The SNP dream of Norway is based on advertising and some visits. I can assure you that the UK is a FAR nicer place to live than Norway with its:
- low ranked education
- schools in a terrible state
- health service poor
- endless tracking of folks both fiscally and geographically (police state)
- weather. OMG the weather. West coast is like outer Hebrides x 10 for awful weather.
- Judicial system very poor and stacked against women
- violence towards women
- driving standards
- insularity of the population
- depression
- highest level of long term workers sick leave in the world
- alcoholism - Scotland x 10
- corporate fraud
- etc, etc....

jshell

11,006 posts

204 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Notice I didn't mention taxes, coz they pale into inisignificance with everything else...

biggbn

22,818 posts

219 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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roadtripboy said:
biggbn said:
technodup said:
'd rather live in about a hundred countries than stty wee cold Norway. Might as well be in stty wee cold Scotland. And that's not on the list. Because it's NOT A fkING COUNTRY! hehe
Does that mean England is not a country either? Nor wales or NI? If they aren't, what are they classed as? Genuine question.
Scotland and England are nations; Wales is a principality; NI is a province.
Thanks. Excuse my ignorance, but what's the difference between a nation and a country, and why do Scotland and England get the denomination over the other two?

mcdjl

5,438 posts

194 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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biggbn said:
roadtripboy said:
biggbn said:
technodup said:
'd rather live in about a hundred countries than stty wee cold Norway. Might as well be in stty wee cold Scotland. And that's not on the list. Because it's NOT A fkING COUNTRY! hehe
Does that mean England is not a country either? Nor wales or NI? If they aren't, what are they classed as? Genuine question.
Scotland and England are nations; Wales is a principality; NI is a province.
Thanks. Excuse my ignorance, but what's the difference between a nation and a country, and why do Scotland and England get the denomination over the other two?
Scotland and England are both nations which happened to be ruled by the same monarch, long before their parliaments united. Wales was a nation which was invaded and conquered by England, but in acknowledgement of this it is 'ruled' by the Prince of Wales. NI was a province (think East Anglia/the Highlands) of Ireland but was split off from that nation and thus remains a province, but now of the UK. Thus your nationality can be E/S/WNI (well maybe technically not) nut the country you live in is technically UK of GB & NI. Now through the channel islands, Manx etc into the mix and explain their status.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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mcdjl said:
biggbn said:
roadtripboy said:
biggbn said:
technodup said:
'd rather live in about a hundred countries than stty wee cold Norway. Might as well be in stty wee cold Scotland. And that's not on the list. Because it's NOT A fkING COUNTRY! hehe
Does that mean England is not a country either? Nor wales or NI? If they aren't, what are they classed as? Genuine question.
Scotland and England are nations; Wales is a principality; NI is a province.
Thanks. Excuse my ignorance, but what's the difference between a nation and a country, and why do Scotland and England get the denomination over the other two?
Scotland and England are both nations which happened to be ruled by the same monarch, long before their parliaments united. Wales was a nation which was invaded and conquered by England, but in acknowledgement of this it is 'ruled' by the Prince of Wales. NI was a province (think East Anglia/the Highlands) of Ireland but was split off from that nation and thus remains a province, but now of the UK. Thus your nationality can be E/S/WNI (well maybe technically not) nut the country you live in is technically UK of GB & NI. Now through the channel islands, Manx etc into the mix and explain their status.
Correct re. Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotland and England are countries. The United Kingdom is a nation.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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jshell said:
Edinburger said:
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
Ooh... Norway... an independent coutry with a population of a similar size to Scotland of 5m'ish... it must be awful there...
True, their taxes and prices are pretty fking horrendous.
But it's still the best country to live in, according to the U.N.
You're on an absolute 'hiding to nothing' with Norway. Some of us on here have lived in Norway for years. The SNP dream of Norway is based on advertising and some visits. I can assure you that the UK is a FAR nicer place to live than Norway with its:
- low ranked education
- schools in a terrible state
- health service poor
- endless tracking of folks both fiscally and geographically (police state)
- weather. OMG the weather. West coast is like outer Hebrides x 10 for awful weather.
- Judicial system very poor and stacked against women
- violence towards women
- driving standards
- insularity of the population
- depression
- highest level of long term workers sick leave in the world
- alcoholism - Scotland x 10
- corporate fraud
- etc, etc....
I'm going for a few days... not emigrating!

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Edinburger said:
jshell said:
Edinburger said:
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
Ooh... Norway... an independent coutry with a population of a similar size to Scotland of 5m'ish... it must be awful there...
True, their taxes and prices are pretty fking horrendous.
But it's still the best country to live in, according to the U.N.
You're on an absolute 'hiding to nothing' with Norway. Some of us on here have lived in Norway for years. The SNP dream of Norway is based on advertising and some visits. I can assure you that the UK is a FAR nicer place to live than Norway with its:
- low ranked education
- schools in a terrible state
- health service poor
- endless tracking of folks both fiscally and geographically (police state)
- weather. OMG the weather. West coast is like outer Hebrides x 10 for awful weather.
- Judicial system very poor and stacked against women
- violence towards women
- driving standards
- insularity of the population
- depression
- highest level of long term workers sick leave in the world
- alcoholism - Scotland x 10
- corporate fraud
- etc, etc....
Sounds like Glasgow. laughlaugh

I'm going for a few days... not emigrating!

jshell

11,006 posts

204 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Edinburger said:
jshell said:
Edinburger said:
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
Ooh... Norway... an independent coutry with a population of a similar size to Scotland of 5m'ish... it must be awful there...
True, their taxes and prices are pretty fking horrendous.
But it's still the best country to live in, according to the U.N.
You're on an absolute 'hiding to nothing' with Norway. Some of us on here have lived in Norway for years. The SNP dream of Norway is based on advertising and some visits. I can assure you that the UK is a FAR nicer place to live than Norway with its:
- low ranked education
- schools in a terrible state
- health service poor
- endless tracking of folks both fiscally and geographically (police state)
- weather. OMG the weather. West coast is like outer Hebrides x 10 for awful weather.
- Judicial system very poor and stacked against women
- violence towards women
- driving standards
- insularity of the population
- depression
- highest level of long term workers sick leave in the world
- alcoholism - Scotland x 10
- corporate fraud
- etc, etc....
Sounds like Glasgow. laughlaugh

I'm going for a few days... not emigrating!
I lived in Glasgow until the age of 14. I thought, when I moved to Norway in 2010 that it'd be like West coast Scotland with a funnier accent. It's not. It is an unbelievably tough place to waste away live.

TriumphStag3.0V8

3,794 posts

80 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Welshbeef said:
Sadly (yes there are a lot of SAD depressed Norwegians but that’s the perpetual darkness of no darkness the other time of year) they don’t have nearly £600billion debt and a 7%++ deficit off the bat with a annual govt spend of c£60billion. If they did it wouldn’t be great at all they would be taxed to the hilt for countless generations. Never have any money to do anything.

That’s the difference you’ve built up Such vast debts that as an independent country you couldn’t service the interest let alone pay it down unless you had either crippling tax hikes and big public sector cuts, which given over 50% of Scots work in the public sector would snowball the issue.

Solve this and you could do it - but you have legacy debt and off balance sheet debt and the highest in the western world deficit spend vs tax take so it’s simply a pipe dream.
Don't be silly Beefy.

That debt and defecit is all the fault of Westminster and therefore belongs the the rUK and NOT Scotland. Scotland has no debt and would leave with no-debt and all of the North Sea Oil. Upon which Saint Nicola will build the greenest economy in Europe (errr, based on oil revenue).

Its all pretty simple really.

Usually is easy when it's all bks!


TriumphStag3.0V8

3,794 posts

80 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Alpacaman said:
Can we not start a fundraiser for a one-way ticket for him if he thinks it's that good?
No point, Norway has Internet connectivity

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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Happy Election Day biggrin

Scrubs

940 posts

203 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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That's my tactical vote done for East Dunbartonshire. Been forced to select that diddy Jo Swinson to keep that other diddy from the SNP out. If there had been a 'fire them all into the sea' option though, I would have taken that.

technodup

7,576 posts

129 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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Do I do the same and vote Labour to try to oust the sitting SNP ?
Or do I assume the SNP will win and vote Tory so as to give them a better base to build from next time?

Or do I simply write 'fk the SNP' on the paper?

SNP Stewart McDonald 18,312
Labour Eileen Dinning 16,285
Conservative Taylor Muir 8,506
Liberal Democrats Ewan Hoyle

Parsnip

3,122 posts

187 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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Bit of a wasted vote for me - the Tory candidate was abandoned by the party for stupid tweets 7 years ago, voted for him anyway, as literally anything would be better than a SNP coalition with Steptoe and his merry band of Commies.

I'm hoping that the other parties can hold the SNP to their current levels, but I have a horrible sinking feeling they will win a huge chunk of seats and we will have 5 more years of nonsense and national embarrassment from them.

If Baloonford lost his seat then I would call it enough of a victory - I have no doubt there will be some other odious cretin to take his place, but as when Angus Robertson lost his seat, seeing bad things happen to awful people really does warm your heart.

Even if the SNP storm it, Blackford out of a job and Salmond behind bars nest year would be enough for me - Scotland is being run into the ground either way - if a couple of the perpetrators get their comeuppance along the way then at least we can all laugh while the ship sinks.

Evercross

5,882 posts

63 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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Scrubs said:
That's my tactical vote done for East Dunbartonshire. Been forced to select that diddy Jo Swinson to keep that other diddy from the SNP out. If there had been a 'fire them all into the sea' option though, I would have taken that.
What, John Nicolson?

wink

PRTVR

7,073 posts

220 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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technodup said:
Do I do the same and vote Labour to try to oust the sitting SNP ?
Or do I assume the SNP will win and vote Tory so as to give them a better base to build from next time?

Or do I simply write 'fk the SNP' on the paper?

SNP Stewart McDonald 18,312
Labour Eileen Dinning 16,285
Conservative Taylor Muir 8,506
Liberal Democrats Ewan Hoyle
It's a difficult one, I think I would go for the conservative, just because wee cranky is so against them, anything that make her
Unhappy is a good thing. hehe

technodup

7,576 posts

129 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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PRTVR said:
It's a difficult one, I think I would go for the conservative, just because wee cranky is so against them, anything that make her
Unhappy is a good thing. hehe
I'm all for making her unhappy, but surely a Labour win would make her more unhappy than a Tory near (or likely not very near) miss?

But then if Labour actually took it I'd be helping Corbyn get in... talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.


B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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Jesus you guys have really tough calls in terms of choices
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