Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
Leithen said:
Ochil & South Perthshire goes to the SNP.
The Conservative vote held up remarkably well - within 100 votes. Labour collapsed however and went to SNP.
Thundering poltroon Nicolson back in despite reading the same speech without replacing the 'East Dumbartonshire' with Ochil and South Perthshire. The Conservative vote held up remarkably well - within 100 votes. Labour collapsed however and went to SNP.
Composer62 said:
Oh I'm not listening to her ..but people of Scotland ... WTF ?
It’s not surprising. SNP are the devolved incumbents, thus getting press and dictating the message, however unhinged. So they make an effective opposition, everything that Labour isn’t. Labours total collapse of vote in Scotland confirms this. Add to that Scotland being firmly remain and the result is unsurprising.
Doesn’t change the Indy calcs one bit of course, and arguably Sturgeon being strengthened will only entrench the majority Union position.
Mr Tidy said:
Why shouldn't the rest of the UK be allowed a vote in what is supposed to be a democracy?
And this doo-hickey wouldn't currently be allowed to vote, unless I moved to Scotland before Nicola holds her next referendum.
Which is a risk I wouldn't be prepared to take!
Good luck anyway if you go for separation.
Should the whole of the EU have gotten to vote on brexit?And this doo-hickey wouldn't currently be allowed to vote, unless I moved to Scotland before Nicola holds her next referendum.
Which is a risk I wouldn't be prepared to take!
Good luck anyway if you go for separation.
PRTVR said:
Maybe the time has come and start planning for independence, removing jobs that are UK specific,military ship building, banks, civil servants that are not wholly connected to Scotland, is it not better to prepared?
Whilst having a plan is always a good idea (take note, DC), expecting a country to leave because they won't vote Boris Tory in large enough numbers is a bit extreme. Your plan would likely bolster the secessionist narrative of evil Tories punishing Scotland. In this very thread we have posters lamenting the lack of decent choice up here. The SNP are the only credible opposition to the Conservatives (even if they are a stuck record & poor PR south of the border) so they'll gain whilst Labour & the Lib Dems continue flailing.
glazbagun said:
PRTVR said:
Maybe the time has come and start planning for independence, removing jobs that are UK specific,military ship building, banks, civil servants that are not wholly connected to Scotland, is it not better to prepared?
Whilst having a plan is always a good idea (take note, DC), expecting a country to leave because they won't vote Boris Tory in large enough numbers is a bit extreme. Your plan would likely bolster the secessionist narrative of evil Tories punishing Scotland. In this very thread we have posters lamenting the lack of decent choice up here. The SNP are the only credible opposition to the Conservatives (even if they are a stuck record & poor PR south of the border) so they'll gain whilst Labour & the Lib Dems continue flailing.
57 Chevy said:
PRTVR said:
I hear what you say, but was not a vote for SNP a vote for what they stand for , which is independence....
I don’t think so, the SNP won big in 2015, just after loosing the referendum. Composer62 said:
technodup said:
Composer62 said:
I'm at a loss .. Sturgeon saying they've won the election ?
Sturgeon's a fanny, don't listen to her.Oh I'm not listening to her ..but people of Scotland ... WTF ?
45% of the vote - there's that number again!
Bearing in mind Nicola was pitching for the remain vote in the last few days of the campaign and that she's borrowed some voters who support the EU but reject independence, a second indyref win is as distant today as it was yesterday, last week and last year.
Bearing in mind Nicola was pitching for the remain vote in the last few days of the campaign and that she's borrowed some voters who support the EU but reject independence, a second indyref win is as distant today as it was yesterday, last week and last year.
Well done and congratulations to the people of Scotland. You've voted and have got the results you deserve. You can now moan about the English as much as you like, you can say the SNP represents you as a nation but guess what? You voted to remain as part of the United Kingdom which therefore makes the Scottish troll and her acolytes ( thats you lot for the hard of thinking) irrelevant
No matter what happened today, the SNP would trot out the "Victory" line. They did it a couple of years ago at the council elections where they got a good drubbing off the Conservatives. They have done well in terms of seats, yes, but I don't buy the conclusions they take away from it.
The numbers are interesting, especially that 45% vote share figure. But, also, comparing to the Brexit referendum, where ~63% in Scotland voted Remain, in this election only 55.5% voted for parties that were explicitly remain (SNP, LD, Greens).
I still don't understand all this mandate talk though. They are very slightly less powerful than when they lost the Indy ref. They weren't rabbiting on about such mandates for further referenda in 2015, as the defeat from 2014 was still too fresh.
I notice Sturgeon's language is changing though, and is pivoting away from promising a 2nd referendum in 2020 and is more banging the drum about just gaining the power to call one. I suspect seeing today's result she knows she still can't win an independence poll, and wants to claim some other big scalp to help stave off attacks within her own party and supporters next year when they expect to bust the blue face paint out. It will be just yet another power she can claim to have but never use.
The numbers are interesting, especially that 45% vote share figure. But, also, comparing to the Brexit referendum, where ~63% in Scotland voted Remain, in this election only 55.5% voted for parties that were explicitly remain (SNP, LD, Greens).
I still don't understand all this mandate talk though. They are very slightly less powerful than when they lost the Indy ref. They weren't rabbiting on about such mandates for further referenda in 2015, as the defeat from 2014 was still too fresh.
I notice Sturgeon's language is changing though, and is pivoting away from promising a 2nd referendum in 2020 and is more banging the drum about just gaining the power to call one. I suspect seeing today's result she knows she still can't win an independence poll, and wants to claim some other big scalp to help stave off attacks within her own party and supporters next year when they expect to bust the blue face paint out. It will be just yet another power she can claim to have but never use.
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