Will May Pay or Hope it Fades Away? £55b exit bill...

[p1stonhead]

PurpleMoonlight said:

p1stonhead said:

Other than voting based on economic considerations, what was leaving a 'golden opportunity' for?

The point he is making is that if people are given the opportunity to vote out or in, they are entitled to do so for any reason they choose.

You are entitled to disagree with their reason, but that doesn't change its validity to them.

No i got that, it was a genuine question. Considering how much its about to cost us in pounds and pence, its just an interesting question i felt.

Very surprised you didnt vote - how can you care so little about such a big thing as to not even bother? Thats genuinely baffling to me.

[mx5nut]

jjlynn27 said:

JagLover said:

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Given that our legal obligation is nil then a trade deal is the only reason to pay such a bill. You cannot separate the two.
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You keep repeating that as if it's a fact. It was explained to you that it's anything but, quite a few times.

It's 2017 - wishful thinking trumps facts.

[PurpleMoonlight]

p1stonhead said:

No i got that, it was a genuine question. Considering how much its about to cost us in pounds and pence, its just an interesting question i felt.

Very surprised you didnt vote - how can you care so little about such a big thing as to not even bother? Thats genuinely baffling to me.

Maybe I'm just not a binary person.

[mx5nut]

Robertj21a said:

For the umpteenth time, you seem to think that the Referendum had multiple options, including economic assessments etc.
If you just wanted to use that golden opportunity to get out of the EU then there was only one option available.
Not everyone's lives revolve solely around economics.

For the umpteenth time - what do you do for a living that isn't affected by economics?

[Funkycoldribena]

PurpleMoonlight said:

And before someone mentions it, I didn't have a reason either way so didn't vote.

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Friday 24th November 11:25

It didn't even cross my mind....

[London424]

PurpleMoonlight said:

p1stonhead said:

Other than voting based on economic considerations, what was leaving a 'golden opportunity' for?

The point he is making is that if people are given the opportunity to vote out or in, they are entitled to do so for any reason they choose.

You are entitled to disagree with their reason, but that doesn't change its validity to them.

And before someone mentions it, I didn't have a reason either way so didn't vote.

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Friday 24th November 11:25

[Jockman]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Jockman said:

If they are separate stages then why can't negotiations run separately, coterminous?

The EU has linked them by making one a precondition of the other.

I don't agree.

If the divorce bill is agreed before trade talks start there is no argument that one is paying for the other. They are completely separate issues.

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Friday 24th November 10:18

We could go round in circles here and get in to a chicken / egg scenario so pretty pointless.

I can see why you believe them to be separate.

Hopefully you can appreciate why I can see a linkage when one is contingent upon the other.

Either way

[Jockman]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Okey dokey. In your world we tell the EU to stick their bill & then say, hey guys, let's trade.


The scary thing is their are lots of people out there who entertain this tosh & half of them are NPE posters.

I don't actually think that's what he's saying.

You had a fresh delivery of straw this morning?

[Mrr T]

JagLover said:

Fine

Lets take it to the International Court of Justice. I haven't heard of any Brexiteers who wouldn't be happy to be bound by the judgment of this independent court on the issue.

What we shouldn't do is treat the EU's position as the gospel truth.

When do you want to leave the EU? The ICJ would take about 10 years to make a ruling.

[Robertj21a]

p1stonhead said:

Other than voting based on economic considerations, what was leaving a 'golden opportunity' for?

Not sure if you're really being serious.....but the 'golden opportunity' was to simply get out of the EU. Not sure how I can make that any clearer.

[p1stonhead]

Robertj21a said:

p1stonhead said:

Other than voting based on economic considerations, what was leaving a 'golden opportunity' for?

Not sure if you're really being serious.....but the 'golden opportunity' was to simply get out of the EU. Not sure how I can make that any clearer.

Just wondering what your reasons were other than economic seeing as literally everything is affected by the economy.

We already know the 'taking back control' business was nonsence so i was just curious.

[Robertj21a]

p1stonhead said:

Just wondering what your reasons were other than economic seeing as literally everything is affected by the economy.

We already know the 'taking back control' business was nonsence so i was just curious.

Good heavens you're hard work !!

Let me turn it round another way to see if it helps......

Why would I want to stay in an organisation that I never wanted to join ?

Do you honestly feel that everyone considers the economy over ALL other issues ?

[p1stonhead]

Robertj21a said:

p1stonhead said:

Just wondering what your reasons were other than economic seeing as literally everything is affected by the economy.

We already know the 'taking back control' business was nonsence so i was just curious.

Good heavens you're hard work !!

Let me turn it round another way to see if it helps......

Why would I want to stay in an organisation that I never wanted to join?

Do you honestly feel that everyone considers the economy over ALL other issues?

Never said that I just asked what your issues were! What did you feel so strongly against that you voted to vote leave excluding economic considerations?

It wasnt meant to be an inflammatory question. Very defensive arent you!

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th November 13:01

[Randy Winkman]

Funkycoldribena said:

Randy Winkman said:

That's nothing. It's Black Friday and I might go to Argos and buy a Zinc Smart X hoverboard for £50 or go to Pets At Home for a Grand Climber Cat Activity Centre for £63. What do you reckon?

Hoverboard?
Got a link?

Er .... no. Because I got the price wrong.

[Robertj21a]

p1stonhead said:

Never said that I just asked what your issues were! What did you feel so strongly against that you voted to vote leave excluding economic considerations?

It wasnt meant to be an inflammatory question. Very defensive arent you!

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th November 13:01

Not trying to be defensive at all, just puzzled why you can't understand simple words.
If you had found yourself in a club that you didn't like would you consider leaving ?

[p1stonhead]

Robertj21a said:

p1stonhead said:

Never said that I just asked what your issues were! What did you feel so strongly against that you voted to vote leave excluding economic considerations?

It wasnt meant to be an inflammatory question. Very defensive arent you!

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th November 13:01

Not trying to be defensive at all, just puzzled why you can't understand simple words.
If you had found yourself in a club that you didn't like would you consider leaving ?

Are you actually brain damaged? I was asking what you didnt like! Do you actually have any reasons?

If we were at a nightclub and you went 'I hate this im leaving', you dont think a reasonable question from someone would be 'how come mate whats wrong with it?'

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th November 13:19

[Robertj21a]

p1stonhead said:

Are you actually brain damaged? I was asking what you didnt like! Do you actually have any reasons?

If we were at a nightclub and you went 'I hate this im leaving', you dont think a reasonable question from someone would be 'how come mate whats wrong with it?'

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th November 13:19

I give up. Either English isn't your first language or you're simply Trolling.

[p1stonhead]

Robertj21a said:

p1stonhead said:

Are you actually brain damaged? I was asking what you didnt like! Do you actually have any reasons?

If we were at a nightclub and you went 'I hate this im leaving', you dont think a reasonable question from someone would be 'how come mate whats wrong with it?'

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 24th November 13:19

I give up. Either English isn't your first language or you're simply Trolling.

I'll just assume is 'sovereignty' then

[Coolbanana]

Robertj21a said:

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Do you honestly feel that everyone considers the economy over ALL other issues ?

So...your vote was entirely personal in the sense that so long as you believed you would be alright, other Britons could go hungry or cold? Or just Britons in your circle were ok? Some Britons were expendable?

Did you never give a thought for possible economic negatives at all and how that might affect others? Given a vote for Leave was a far riskier vote than a vote to Remain owing to the fact that the economy was improving prior to the vote whereas a Leave vote was to court an uncertain future - possibly negative for a period - then surely it was reckless or just plain selfish to discount how an economic downturn would affect those who barely get by as it is? Or to think about it and brush it aside as least important based only upon your own personal circumstances?

I can, to a degree, understand a Leave Voter voting because they were convinced the economy wouldn't take a serious hit or that it would not be bad enough to cause much harm but a Leave Voter who considers the economy as less important an issue and selfishly disregards his or her fellow Britons as a result? Hmm.

Or is it all for the Greater Good in the Future? Fine for folks we have never met to suffer so long as we leave the EU?

[PurpleMoonlight]

Coolbanana said:

So...your vote was entirely personal in the sense that so long as you believed you would be alright, other Britons could go hungry or cold? Or just Britons in your circle were ok? Some Britons were expendable?

That's not fair he hasn't said that at all.

He doesn't want the UK to be in the EU. He is entitled to his view and perhaps we should just accept that and stop trying to analize it to the nth degree.