Term-time holiday dad loses court battle
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Countdown said:
John145 said:
Bad decision.
You learn things that are extracurricular which is probably why the left leaning educational institutions don't like it.
Indeed.You learn things that are extracurricular which is probably why the left leaning educational institutions don't like it.
When you go on holiday it's usually the Daily Mail reading UKIP voter that you find visiting all the cultural sites, ruins, monasteries and sites of historical interest. Whereas yer typical sandal-wearing lentil-muncher will be found draped over the poolside sunbed, lobster belly on display, having gorged himself on the AYCE breakfast buffet and waiting until 12 so he can get p1ssed on cheap lager....
Amateurs.
The world of rules is going more like Stannis/Iron, than Robert/Steel.mattyn1 said:
pmanson said:
Chester draws said:
Schools (IME) can not and will not authorise holidays within term time.
My Son's school has just done exactly that for us for a week in July. We wrote and explained the circumstances and they approved it the same day. I have two boys aged 6 and 5. They go to a great village school in North Wales. We put a request in to take them on holiday for 5 days and it was granted immediately. They had a wonderful time with their 97 year old great grandmother (the reason permission was given). We would not try to do it just to save money.
Unfortunately this decision by the Supreme Court has been made to deal with the lowest common denominator ie. the parents who don't give a stuff and would use their right to take their kids out of school every year throughout their education years rather than the odd occasion in their education years.
However, a quick bit of maths shows that even if a child had 10 days holiday per academic year for all of its education years attendance would still be 95% overall with no sickness absences taken into account (2090 out of 2200). 95% is the OFSTED target I believe?
Unfortunately this decision by the Supreme Court has been made to deal with the lowest common denominator ie. the parents who don't give a stuff and would use their right to take their kids out of school every year throughout their education years rather than the odd occasion in their education years.
However, a quick bit of maths shows that even if a child had 10 days holiday per academic year for all of its education years attendance would still be 95% overall with no sickness absences taken into account (2090 out of 2200). 95% is the OFSTED target I believe?
mattyn1 said:
Chester draws said:
Fair enough, I've requested twice, at an infants and a juniors school
And they turned you down? I think the justification bit is probably the most important. When I have done it I have stressed how it is impossible for us to holiday during the summer holidays - and not for financial reasons. All been ok.And yes, this was Hampshire.
The £60 fine is per child per parent... So £240 for 2 kids and 2 parents.
But the policy is clearly stated on the council website, stay within the limits and you're fine, go over and you won't be.
PurpleMoonlight said:
You might call it that, I would call it profiteering.
The underlying costs of the business do not increase during school holiday periods, so neither should the cost to the consumer.
Yes, but a business will plan its activities on an annual (or longer) basis. The increased income during peak times is all part of the overall business plan. The underlying costs of the business do not increase during school holiday periods, so neither should the cost to the consumer.
TTwiggy said:
768 said:
Bad rule, bad decision.
Good rule, good decision. It's a school - a place where kids are meant to learn about boundaries and respect for authority. Something the father should have considered.
It's supposed to be a place of education where kids are meant to learn, evaluate and conclude for themselves, not secede to the dogma of an authority that earns no respect.
JQ said:
Perhaps at your school, but certainly not at ours - primary in England. I don't know of a single request that's been granted. In my circle of friends I know of around 10 requests all of which have been denied. All where the parents have offered to work with the school and ensure the kids continue their study whilst abroad. Requests have included a trip to Australia at Christmas and a wedding in France, where the child in question was half French and those people getting married were French relatives.
I get the frustration but to me that sounds like the parents in question are saying to the school..."We're taking our kids out of school during these dates for this reason but don't worry, we'll get them to read a bit during the days they're not busy."
Rather than actually discussing the feasibility of the absence with the school.
Either way, surely, as mentioned, the £60 fine is a worthwhile penalty?
JQ said:
Perhaps at your school, but certainly not at ours - primary in England. I don't know of a single request that's been granted. In my circle of friends I know of around 10 requests all of which have been denied. All where the parents have offered to work with the school and ensure the kids continue their study whilst abroad. Requests have included a trip to Australia at Christmas and a wedding in France, where the child in question was half French and those people getting married were French relatives.
Surely there must be some system by which to challenge such a refusal? In any challenge the decision maker would have to show that the refusal was reasonable and proportionate, surely? hman said:
Redlake27 said:
I agree that travel broadens horizons and aids education, but parents have 12 weeks a year to choose from that don't cause disruption to academic planning.
3/10 - must try harder...My kids now know what life and culture is like for Australians by meeting and asking questions of the Australian people that they met, they gained an understanding of the history of Australia, saw how farms and industry differs to ours in the UK and saw a diverse range of animals and wildlife.
768 said:
TTwiggy said:
768 said:
Bad rule, bad decision.
Good rule, good decision. It's a school - a place where kids are meant to learn about boundaries and respect for authority. Something the father should have considered.It's supposed to be a place of education where kids are meant to learn, evaluate and conclude for themselves, not secede to the dogma of an authority that earns no respect.
How many times have 'falling standards' and 'lack of respect for authority' been themes on threads on here? But, you know, schools are all hotbeds of libtard thinking and all teachers are commies, so parents should just do whatever they want...
jonnyb said:
It is supply and demand. No airline has loads of empty aircraft sitting around waiting for the school holidays, nor crews doing nothing. Any airline who has that will go bust very quickly.
Also, no hotels will cater just for school holidays yet be empty the rest of the year.
Tour operators and airlines crew for the entire year and buy beds for the entire year, not just for the summer holidays. Also bear in mind its not just the UK thats on school holidays, its most of Europe.
It really isn't. Look at the flight schedules for charter flights outside school holidays or even the off season for that region and the number of flights offered will be much lower. The holiday companies also put on larger planes for peak times (which works out at the same cost per passenger per mile if not cheaper than the smaller plane). Total capacity during the school holidays and particularly over the peak period is much higher than the off season, those planes aren't flying around empty.Also, no hotels will cater just for school holidays yet be empty the rest of the year.
Tour operators and airlines crew for the entire year and buy beds for the entire year, not just for the summer holidays. Also bear in mind its not just the UK thats on school holidays, its most of Europe.
Crew capacity is increased during this period by blocking holidays for the crew, increasing overtime, and temp staff.
MrBarry123 said:
JQ said:
Perhaps at your school, but certainly not at ours - primary in England. I don't know of a single request that's been granted. In my circle of friends I know of around 10 requests all of which have been denied. All where the parents have offered to work with the school and ensure the kids continue their study whilst abroad. Requests have included a trip to Australia at Christmas and a wedding in France, where the child in question was half French and those people getting married were French relatives.
I get the frustration but to me that sounds like the parents in question are saying to the school..."We're taking our kids out of school during these dates for this reason but don't worry, we'll get them to read a bit during the days they're not busy."
Rather than actually discussing the feasibility of the absence with the school.
Either way, surely, as mentioned, the £60 fine is a worthwhile penalty?
768 said:
It's supposed to be a place of education where kids are meant to learn, evaluate and conclude for themselves, not secede to the dogma of an authority that earns no respect.
JQ said:
I'm not frustrated, I've not made any requests. I was just pointing out to a few posters on here that appear to be under the misapprehension that if you request absence for a reasonable reason and offer to work with the school that you get that absence granted. At many schools that's just not the case, they will refuse consent under pretty much any circumstance.
In my experience three different schools with the same approach and all is good. Like I said I found justification to be key.Edwin Strohacker said:
768 said:
It's supposed to be a place of education where kids are meant to learn, evaluate and conclude for themselves, not secede to the dogma of an authority that earns no respect.
By dogma of an authority, you mean law of the land established 74 years ago?
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