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Garvin

5,156 posts

176 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?

Derek often makes interesting posts and it is obvious he has a breadth of experience that makes his views interesting and not just plucked from his bum. Sure some might be anecdotal but they are almost always thought provoking.

The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
I agree that Derek's posts can be interesting and thought provoking and are always well written if very anecdotal. I also agree with the content free posts, particularly those that provide a link to some article that, no matter how biased towards the poster's own views, have no commentary provided by the poster.

However, Derek's latest claim on the reason for the snap election are quite interesting, if not a bit bizarre, but a little short of evidence or personal, if anecdotal, experience and he seems to be in a majority of one proffering it. He also claims that others are blinkered, which they may well be, but then climbs aboard a high horse claiming not to be blinkered himself, despite, IIRC, his views on the Tories and May being well aired in other threads.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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mx-6 said:
Falling poll lead for the Conservative's?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...

It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
hmmm but Daily Mail.

Com Res poll says:
CON: 50% (+4)
LAB: 25% (-)
LDEM: 11% (-)
UKIP: 7% (-2)

dated yesterday, https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855871512...

Apparently works out to 427 seats for tories, 138 for labour, 8 for Lib Dem

footnote

924 posts

105 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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sidicks said:
Derek Smith said:
So you think ad hominem attacks is more to the point? How about addressing the points raised?

And there's me thinking that this is a serious thread.

Jesus, what's the point of thinking logically and looking for evidence when one can destroy any arguments by complaining that someone goes over 140 characters?
Reliable 'evidence' isn't an anecdote about a bloke you once met 20 years ago (or similar).

To get the best deal out of the Brexit negotiations, May needs the strongest hand possible and that means not being at risk of constantly being criticised and undermined by the other parties at every possible turn over the next couple of years.

An election now could achieve exactly that, which is exactly the reason why it has been called.

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Edited by sidicks on Sunday 23 April 09:15
I've rarely seen relaiable 'evidence' presented on PH - lots of opinion presented as fact.

Lots of stats presented as proven facts.

All of it usually just opinion.

I like Derek's posts. His experiences of people and how they react/reacted in scenarios which are related to the topic are always informative and entertaining.

Deptford Draylons

10,480 posts

242 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?

The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
Says the person who trawls the internet for bad news Brexit stuff and just posts the link with a sarcastic comment. Post some more links to some Denis McShane articles without comment would you !

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?

The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
Says the person who trawls the internet for bad news Brexit stuff and just posts the link with a sarcastic comment. Post some more links to some Denis McShane articles without comment would you !
The Times, the bastion of the left. Let's pick today as random top Brexit news story:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-puts-eu-a...

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Garvin said:
///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?

Derek often makes interesting posts and it is obvious he has a breadth of experience that makes his views interesting and not just plucked from his bum. Sure some might be anecdotal but they are almost always thought provoking.

The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
I agree that Derek's posts can be interesting and thought provoking and are always well written if very anecdotal. I also agree with the content free posts, particularly those that provide a link to some article that, no matter how biased towards the poster's own views, have no commentary provided by the poster.

However, Derek's latest claim on the reason for the snap election are quite interesting, if not a bit bizarre, but a little short of evidence or personal, if anecdotal, experience and he seems to be in a majority of one proffering it. He also claims that others are blinkered, which they may well be, but then climbs aboard a high horse claiming not to be blinkered himself, despite, IIRC, his views on the Tories and May being well aired in other threads.
I think you can take Dereks idea on the prosecutions as just an interesting idea. I read it and thought maybe, didn't see any smoking gun but just a possibility I had not considered.

I am not alone in sometimes posting links to articles - sometimes they need no comment as they are self contained contributions to a thread discussion. I certainly find it useful when others do it and pick up things I haven't seen. I get the impression that I am being attacked for this not because they are comment free but because they are usually links to news that some don't want to hear. I have occassionally posted links to news that is not anti-brexit - so it is not always biased one way. If we are allowed to comment on brexit "news", it should be hardly surprising much of it is negative - as broadly speaking it is, isn't it? Is that a media/BBC conspiracy, or an accurate reflection on how most perceive it?

Sure there are plenty saying saying "its great, keep positive, all will be fine in ten years" - but to bring this post full circle, they are the posts that are, sadly, content free. Wishful thinking doesn't cut it for many.

robemcdonald

8,716 posts

195 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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It seems that anecdotes are fine just as long as they're about benefits cheats, health tourists, or anything negative about immigration.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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robemcdonald said:
It seems that anecdotes are fine just as long as they're about benefits cheats, health tourists, or anything negative about immigration.
Ah yes, those Czech HGV drivers. That was gospel!


anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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laugh

Being defended by ajd! How embarrassing.

Derek, you never did answer the question I asked about your bizarre personal attack on me a few weeks ago.


turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Crafty_ said:
mx-6 said:
Falling poll lead for the Conservative's?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...

It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
hmmm but Daily Mail.

Com Res poll says:
CON: 50% (+4)
LAB: 25% (-)
LDEM: 11% (-)
UKIP: 7% (-2)

dated yesterday, https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855871512...

Apparently works out to 427 seats for tories, 138 for labour, 8 for Lib Dem
Today in the Mirror online there's a pol tracker which cites a result dated yesterday 22 April as follows:

TORIES 44
LABOUR 25
LIBDEM 10
UKIP 10


Deptford Draylons

10,480 posts

242 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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zygalski said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?

The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
Says the person who trawls the internet for bad news Brexit stuff and just posts the link with a sarcastic comment. Post some more links to some Denis McShane articles without comment would you !
The Times, the bastion of the left. Let's pick today as random top Brexit news story:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-puts-eu-a...
I don't think you understand, not for the first time. He complains about content free posts while daily trawling the net and posting any negative article he can find without any discussion to just troll. That he then complains about the same is somewhat ironic.

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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///ajd said:
robemcdonald said:
It seems that anecdotes are fine just as long as they're about benefits cheats, health tourists, or anything negative about immigration.
Ah yes, those Czech HGV drivers. That was gospel!
Or the story from a PH'er that Farage and his cronies were going to start deporting people, the same poster who claimed he had friends who worked in the NHS who were frightened of said deportations, yet did nothing to put his friends concerns to rest.

That was gospel!


Puggit

48,355 posts

247 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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What are people's thoughts on JCs performance on the Andrew Marr show today all about the election manifesto etc.

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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turbobloke said:
Crafty_ said:
mx-6 said:
Falling poll lead for the Conservative's?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...

It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
hmmm but Daily Mail.

Com Res poll says:
CON: 50% (+4)
LAB: 25% (-)
LDEM: 11% (-)
UKIP: 7% (-2)

dated yesterday, https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855871512...

Apparently works out to 427 seats for tories, 138 for labour, 8 for Lib Dem
Today in the Mirror online there's a pol tracker which cites a result dated yesterday 22 April as follows:

TORIES 44
LABOUR 25
LIBDEM 10
UKIP 10
The DT has the same as above


Bookies call it:
Conservative - 1/16
Labour - 8/1
Lib Dems - 28/1
Ukip - 100/1
Greens - 500/1




PurpleAki

1,601 posts

86 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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zygalski said:
PurpleAki said:
I seem to have touched a nerve. Was just an observation.

For clarity, are you denying that you very often respond to threads with long winded posts about your personal experiences?
Here's an observation. You're a cock.
And yet only one of us has resorted to swearing and insults...

Garvin

5,156 posts

176 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Welshbeef said:
What are people's thoughts on JCs performance on the Andrew Marr show today all about the election manifesto etc.
Remind me, what questions did he provide a straight answer to? I was left with impression that a) he would not take the difficult decisions required of a PM to defend this country; b) discussion and talk is all that is necessary to solve all international disputes and threats to our society and that the military are not really required; and c) a lot of wishful thinking about a great society without any real plan for how to achieve that other than throw money at it by taxing the rich (which now equates to anyone with gross income >£70k pa) and corporations even though past hard evidence shows this does not increase the tax take (even Ed Balls admitted this before the last election). In other words, nothing new from JC.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Do we think that the labour policy will be to start the tax free threshold removal from £70k as this is now apparently "rich"

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

211 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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don'tbesilly said:
turbobloke said:
Crafty_ said:
mx-6 said:
Falling poll lead for the Conservative's?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...

It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
hmmm but Daily Mail.

Com Res poll says:
CON: 50% (+4)
LAB: 25% (-)
LDEM: 11% (-)
UKIP: 7% (-2)

dated yesterday, https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855871512...

Apparently works out to 427 seats for tories, 138 for labour, 8 for Lib Dem
Today in the Mirror online there's a pol tracker which cites a result dated yesterday 22 April as follows:

TORIES 44
LABOUR 25
LIBDEM 10
UKIP 10
The DT has the same as above


Bookies call it:
Conservative - 1/16
Labour - 8/1
Lib Dems - 28/1
Ukip - 100/1
Greens - 500/1
if comparing poll results it's probably worth checking the populations are the same. As above, one is UK, the other England.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Deptford Draylons said:
zygalski said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?

The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
Says the person who trawls the internet for bad news Brexit stuff and just posts the link with a sarcastic comment. Post some more links to some Denis McShane articles without comment would you !
The Times, the bastion of the left. Let's pick today as random top Brexit news story:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-puts-eu-a...
I don't think you understand, not for the first time. He complains about content free posts while daily trawling the net and posting any negative article he can find without any discussion to just troll. That he then complains about the same is somewhat ironic.
Are you saying just posting links to news stories about brexit should not be allowed on brexit threads?

If they have a link, they are not content free, however much you might want to pretend they are so you can ignore their inconvenient content that clearly makes you uncomfortable. I understand this motivation very well - it is so obvious.

There is a difference. Ironically, your post is just a personal attack on me for linking to articles relevant to the topic. That is content free for the topic at hand. Mmm.

It is interesting that some brexiteers (well most here it seems) - can't bear to talk about or even admit to any bad news on brexit. This is becoming part of the story.
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