Snap General Election?
Discussion
///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?
Derek often makes interesting posts and it is obvious he has a breadth of experience that makes his views interesting and not just plucked from his bum. Sure some might be anecdotal but they are almost always thought provoking.
The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
I agree that Derek's posts can be interesting and thought provoking and are always well written if very anecdotal. I also agree with the content free posts, particularly those that provide a link to some article that, no matter how biased towards the poster's own views, have no commentary provided by the poster.Derek often makes interesting posts and it is obvious he has a breadth of experience that makes his views interesting and not just plucked from his bum. Sure some might be anecdotal but they are almost always thought provoking.
The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
However, Derek's latest claim on the reason for the snap election are quite interesting, if not a bit bizarre, but a little short of evidence or personal, if anecdotal, experience and he seems to be in a majority of one proffering it. He also claims that others are blinkered, which they may well be, but then climbs aboard a high horse claiming not to be blinkered himself, despite, IIRC, his views on the Tories and May being well aired in other threads.
mx-6 said:
Falling poll lead for the Conservative's?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...
It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
hmmm but Daily Mail.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...
It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
Com Res poll says:
CON: 50% (+4)
LAB: 25% (-)
LDEM: 11% (-)
UKIP: 7% (-2)
dated yesterday, https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855871512...
Apparently works out to 427 seats for tories, 138 for labour, 8 for Lib Dem
sidicks said:
Derek Smith said:
So you think ad hominem attacks is more to the point? How about addressing the points raised?
And there's me thinking that this is a serious thread.
Jesus, what's the point of thinking logically and looking for evidence when one can destroy any arguments by complaining that someone goes over 140 characters?
Reliable 'evidence' isn't an anecdote about a bloke you once met 20 years ago (or similar).And there's me thinking that this is a serious thread.
Jesus, what's the point of thinking logically and looking for evidence when one can destroy any arguments by complaining that someone goes over 140 characters?
To get the best deal out of the Brexit negotiations, May needs the strongest hand possible and that means not being at risk of constantly being criticised and undermined by the other parties at every possible turn over the next couple of years.
An election now could achieve exactly that, which is exactly the reason why it has been called.
Edited by sidicks on Sunday 23 April 09:14
Edited by sidicks on Sunday 23 April 09:15
Lots of stats presented as proven facts.
All of it usually just opinion.
I like Derek's posts. His experiences of people and how they react/reacted in scenarios which are related to the topic are always informative and entertaining.
///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?
The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
Says the person who trawls the internet for bad news Brexit stuff and just posts the link with a sarcastic comment. Post some more links to some Denis McShane articles without comment would you !The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?
The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
Says the person who trawls the internet for bad news Brexit stuff and just posts the link with a sarcastic comment. Post some more links to some Denis McShane articles without comment would you !The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-puts-eu-a...
Garvin said:
///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?
Derek often makes interesting posts and it is obvious he has a breadth of experience that makes his views interesting and not just plucked from his bum. Sure some might be anecdotal but they are almost always thought provoking.
The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
I agree that Derek's posts can be interesting and thought provoking and are always well written if very anecdotal. I also agree with the content free posts, particularly those that provide a link to some article that, no matter how biased towards the poster's own views, have no commentary provided by the poster.Derek often makes interesting posts and it is obvious he has a breadth of experience that makes his views interesting and not just plucked from his bum. Sure some might be anecdotal but they are almost always thought provoking.
The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
However, Derek's latest claim on the reason for the snap election are quite interesting, if not a bit bizarre, but a little short of evidence or personal, if anecdotal, experience and he seems to be in a majority of one proffering it. He also claims that others are blinkered, which they may well be, but then climbs aboard a high horse claiming not to be blinkered himself, despite, IIRC, his views on the Tories and May being well aired in other threads.
I am not alone in sometimes posting links to articles - sometimes they need no comment as they are self contained contributions to a thread discussion. I certainly find it useful when others do it and pick up things I haven't seen. I get the impression that I am being attacked for this not because they are comment free but because they are usually links to news that some don't want to hear. I have occassionally posted links to news that is not anti-brexit - so it is not always biased one way. If we are allowed to comment on brexit "news", it should be hardly surprising much of it is negative - as broadly speaking it is, isn't it? Is that a media/BBC conspiracy, or an accurate reflection on how most perceive it?
Sure there are plenty saying saying "its great, keep positive, all will be fine in ten years" - but to bring this post full circle, they are the posts that are, sadly, content free. Wishful thinking doesn't cut it for many.
Crafty_ said:
mx-6 said:
Falling poll lead for the Conservative's?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...
It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
hmmm but Daily Mail.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...
It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
Com Res poll says:
CON: 50% (+4)
LAB: 25% (-)
LDEM: 11% (-)
UKIP: 7% (-2)
dated yesterday, https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855871512...
Apparently works out to 427 seats for tories, 138 for labour, 8 for Lib Dem
TORIES 44
LABOUR 25
LIBDEM 10
UKIP 10
zygalski said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?
The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
Says the person who trawls the internet for bad news Brexit stuff and just posts the link with a sarcastic comment. Post some more links to some Denis McShane articles without comment would you !The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-puts-eu-a...
///ajd said:
robemcdonald said:
It seems that anecdotes are fine just as long as they're about benefits cheats, health tourists, or anything negative about immigration.
Ah yes, those Czech HGV drivers. That was gospel!That was gospel!
turbobloke said:
Crafty_ said:
mx-6 said:
Falling poll lead for the Conservative's?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...
It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
hmmm but Daily Mail.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...
It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
Com Res poll says:
CON: 50% (+4)
LAB: 25% (-)
LDEM: 11% (-)
UKIP: 7% (-2)
dated yesterday, https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855871512...
Apparently works out to 427 seats for tories, 138 for labour, 8 for Lib Dem
TORIES 44
LABOUR 25
LIBDEM 10
UKIP 10
Bookies call it:
Conservative - 1/16
Labour - 8/1
Lib Dems - 28/1
Ukip - 100/1
Greens - 500/1
zygalski said:
PurpleAki said:
I seem to have touched a nerve. Was just an observation.
For clarity, are you denying that you very often respond to threads with long winded posts about your personal experiences?
Here's an observation. You're a cock.For clarity, are you denying that you very often respond to threads with long winded posts about your personal experiences?
Welshbeef said:
What are people's thoughts on JCs performance on the Andrew Marr show today all about the election manifesto etc.
Remind me, what questions did he provide a straight answer to? I was left with impression that a) he would not take the difficult decisions required of a PM to defend this country; b) discussion and talk is all that is necessary to solve all international disputes and threats to our society and that the military are not really required; and c) a lot of wishful thinking about a great society without any real plan for how to achieve that other than throw money at it by taxing the rich (which now equates to anyone with gross income >£70k pa) and corporations even though past hard evidence shows this does not increase the tax take (even Ed Balls admitted this before the last election). In other words, nothing new from JC.don'tbesilly said:
turbobloke said:
Crafty_ said:
mx-6 said:
Falling poll lead for the Conservative's?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...
It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
hmmm but Daily Mail.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...
It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.
Com Res poll says:
CON: 50% (+4)
LAB: 25% (-)
LDEM: 11% (-)
UKIP: 7% (-2)
dated yesterday, https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855871512...
Apparently works out to 427 seats for tories, 138 for labour, 8 for Lib Dem
TORIES 44
LABOUR 25
LIBDEM 10
UKIP 10
Bookies call it:
Conservative - 1/16
Labour - 8/1
Lib Dems - 28/1
Ukip - 100/1
Greens - 500/1
Deptford Draylons said:
zygalski said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?
The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
Says the person who trawls the internet for bad news Brexit stuff and just posts the link with a sarcastic comment. Post some more links to some Denis McShane articles without comment would you !The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-puts-eu-a...
If they have a link, they are not content free, however much you might want to pretend they are so you can ignore their inconvenient content that clearly makes you uncomfortable. I understand this motivation very well - it is so obvious.
There is a difference. Ironically, your post is just a personal attack on me for linking to articles relevant to the topic. That is content free for the topic at hand. Mmm.
It is interesting that some brexiteers (well most here it seems) - can't bear to talk about or even admit to any bad news on brexit. This is becoming part of the story.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff