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sidicks said:
robemcdonald said:
I have been reading, but only skim reading. Which makes your point a good one.
The problem is I have been reading and contributing in between customer visits and my posts have generally been reactions to others replies. As a result haven't given proper consideration to some of my posts.
My assertion that I am not a troll is not really mine to make. If that's how I have come across I apologise. It's the result of rushing.
Apologies to all if I have been too adversarial. it was not my intent when I asked the original question. On reflection I haven't represented myself as well as I'd have liked.
On that basis I am going to retire to a spectator position, at least until I am in a position have a more positive input.
I still stand my belief that we should allow migrants currently here to stay because think it's the right thing to do and sometimes that should be enough.
Once again apologies to anyone I have offended.
No need to apologise for anything you've said - people have strong opinions and it can get heated in here, but in comparison to some (including me) you've been very reasonable.The problem is I have been reading and contributing in between customer visits and my posts have generally been reactions to others replies. As a result haven't given proper consideration to some of my posts.
My assertion that I am not a troll is not really mine to make. If that's how I have come across I apologise. It's the result of rushing.
Apologies to all if I have been too adversarial. it was not my intent when I asked the original question. On reflection I haven't represented myself as well as I'd have liked.
On that basis I am going to retire to a spectator position, at least until I am in a position have a more positive input.
I still stand my belief that we should allow migrants currently here to stay because think it's the right thing to do and sometimes that should be enough.
Once again apologies to anyone I have offended.
I see the guilty party in this as the EU nations.
Footnote,Rolling reminder, campaigned in referendum on a basis of an exit strategy that included initially retaining Freedom of Movement of Labour simply to facilitate an suitable workable agreement for both sides achievable in the limited time span available.
desolate said:
Bullett said:
What is going to be the alternative to ZHC's?
1 hour contracts? 8 hours?
If Zero hour contracts where two way then the argument would be different. 1 hour contracts? 8 hours?
I am sure someone with a brain could find a way off allowing zero hour contracts for those who have a genuinely flexible two way relationship with their employer whilst stopping the abuse of such contracts by many employers.
Unlikely to find such a person in the House of Commons.
I agree that ZHCs are a good thing when they are used properly. We use them a lot where I work (airports) because there is a considerable amount of variation in workload from one day/week to the next. The work that we do, is labour intensive, and has considerable peaks in demand that need actual people doing work. Our demand peaks cannot be shifted to later in the day, the work has to happen in line with when the customers need to travel and the flights are arriving and departing.
However, there remains a consistent level of work which means that the business can support around 75-80% of the staff on a full time, or part time, permanent contract, with a guaranteed number of hours per week and in most cases an actual fixed shift. Those who take the ZHCs are in general students who work in the holidays (when we are busier anyway) and those who are working as a second income around childcare etc, or semi-retired people who come in and earn a bit of bingo/bowls club money. Again, this work is happening at our peak times, but they aren't needed in the middle of February or November, but that's all fine with them and with us.
The issue with ZHCs has been borne out of the fact that a couple of big name employers were abusing them - Sports Direct, and Wetherspoons. Those are the only 2 names I have heard regularly in this discussion way back from when Ed Miliband started his war against them which Corbyn has continued. My understanding was the pretty much nobody in Sports Direct was working on a contract that guarantees them any hours. Even though to me as an outsider, the shops and warehouses are open at the same times, and it probably shouldn't take too much analysis to start working out when the busy times in the day/week/year were to start putting in some guaranteed hours that would benefit the workers, and also reduce the administrative costs to the company of having to work out everyone's roster on a daily/weekly basis.
The issue with those two employers, was not consistent with all ZHCs but they were given undue precedence and have been allowed to cloud the discussion all the time to say all ZHCs are bad.
A staff member can be offered a contract that has a guaranteed minimum number of hours per week/month which will help them plan their income. but it also means they have to guarantee that they will be available for that minimum number of hours. It then comes down to the balance of when they are needed and when they are told.
But it still remains that ZHCs offer great flexibility to loads of people who want that and in general in businesses where demand peaks heavily at sporadic intervals and staff come in. Massive event coming up at your sports arena? Get loads of people in on security and the bar! But then nothing for 6 weeks whilst they are all at uni anyway....
Shakermaker said:
But it still remains that ZHCs offer great flexibility to loads of people who want that and in general in businesses where demand peaks heavily at sporadic intervals and staff come in. Massive event coming up at your sports arena? Get loads of people in on security and the bar! But then nothing for 6 weeks whilst they are all at uni anyway....
Before Zero Hours contracts, there was already flexibility though. Loads of retailers have students during their a-levels, they then return from uni to work in holidays when it is busier. Same with Christmas lead up for food manufacturers giving out July-November contracts. Whilst its great for many people like students and the like, it has to be regulated or it will be abused.
To quote the CIPD:
"In addition, it is unclear why some private sector employers have chosen to make zero-hours contracts the norm within their organisations. Uncertainty over staffing requirements is unlikely to be so pervasive that it requires the vast majority of the workforce to be on zero-hours contracts. Employers who have chosen this option should be clear with the workforce and other stakeholders about the reasons why they have taken this decision, given the likelihood of negative publicity
– which may be deserved or undeserved."
andy_s said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
TLandCruiser said:
My wife is an EU national with permanent residence here but the reason why we have never bothered to get citizenship so far, is dispite living here for over ten years and running her own business she is required to sit an English and life in the U.K. Test.
She would loose her residency in her home country too, which would stop us buying land, so if we purchased a house as a foreigner the land would become leasehold from the government where as if she keeps her passport we will be able to purchase the land freehold.
It's a bit stupid but they do it to prevent foreign investment from buying and owning all the land.
This is one of the totally sShe would loose her residency in her home country too, which would stop us buying land, so if we purchased a house as a foreigner the land would become leasehold from the government where as if she keeps her passport we will be able to purchase the land freehold.
It's a bit stupid but they do it to prevent foreign investment from buying and owning all the land.
t situations in the so-called EU, why haven't the EU done something constructive and worthwhile (IMO) by getting these countries to change such laws on property ownership? No wonder we wanted out from the EU.k all, yet stand by the principles of free movement,e tc (I would have thought right to property ownership would go hand in hand with that, just my opinion).mx-6 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
TLandCruiser said:
My wife is an EU national with permanent residence here but the reason why we have never bothered to get citizenship so far, is dispite living here for over ten years and running her own business she is required to sit an English and life in the U.K. Test.
She would loose her residency in her home country too, which would stop us buying land, so if we purchased a house as a foreigner the land would become leasehold from the government where as if she keeps her passport we will be able to purchase the land freehold.
It's a bit stupid but they do it to prevent foreign investment from buying and owning all the land.
This is one of the totally sShe would loose her residency in her home country too, which would stop us buying land, so if we purchased a house as a foreigner the land would become leasehold from the government where as if she keeps her passport we will be able to purchase the land freehold.
It's a bit stupid but they do it to prevent foreign investment from buying and owning all the land.
t situations in the so-called EU, why haven't the EU done something constructive and worthwhile (IMO) by getting these countries to change such laws on property ownership? No wonder we wanted out from the EU.Edited by mx-6 on Tuesday 25th April 14:47
While I'm no fan of this supra-national approach of the EU, they have failed to stand by what they stand for, if that makes sense.
Vandenberg said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Massive constraints on Employment Law caused by the bullst of the EU, hence the need for zero hours contracts.
Nah thats nothing, you should try Dutch employment law, thats enough to get most HR directors top lip wobbling. t of the EU, hence the need for zero hours contracts.Likes Fast Cars said:
TLandCruiser said:
My wife is an EU national with permanent residence here but the reason why we have never bothered to get citizenship so far, is dispite living here for over ten years and running her own business she is required to sit an English and life in the U.K. Test.
She would loose her residency in her home country too, which would stop us buying land, so if we purchased a house as a foreigner the land would become leasehold from the government where as if she keeps her passport we will be able to purchase the land freehold.
It's a bit stupid but they do it to prevent foreign investment from buying and owning all the land.
This is one of the totally sShe would loose her residency in her home country too, which would stop us buying land, so if we purchased a house as a foreigner the land would become leasehold from the government where as if she keeps her passport we will be able to purchase the land freehold.
It's a bit stupid but they do it to prevent foreign investment from buying and owning all the land.
t situations in the so-called EU, why haven't the EU done something constructive and worthwhile (IMO) by getting these countries to change such laws on property ownership? No wonder we wanted out from the EU.jjlynn27 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Massive constraints on Employment Law caused by the bullst of the EU, hence the need for zero hours contracts.
t of the EU, hence the need for zero hours contracts.
You do post some bs, but this one takes the cake. EU caused need for zero hours contracts. 
Look, the EU regs have been a nightmare and a farce, without them there wouldn't be the need for ZHC's, simple fact.
hyphen said:
Shakermaker said:
But it still remains that ZHCs offer great flexibility to loads of people who want that and in general in businesses where demand peaks heavily at sporadic intervals and staff come in. Massive event coming up at your sports arena? Get loads of people in on security and the bar! But then nothing for 6 weeks whilst they are all at uni anyway....
Before Zero Hours contracts, there was already flexibility though. Loads of retailers have students during their a-levels, they then return from uni to work in holidays when it is busier. Same with Christmas lead up for food manufacturers giving out July-November contracts. Whilst its great for many people like students and the like, it has to be regulated or it will be abused.
To quote the CIPD:
"In addition, it is unclear why some private sector employers have chosen to make zero-hours contracts the norm within their organisations. Uncertainty over staffing requirements is unlikely to be so pervasive that it requires the vast majority of the workforce to be on zero-hours contracts. Employers who have chosen this option should be clear with the workforce and other stakeholders about the reasons why they have taken this decision, given the likelihood of negative publicity
– which may be deserved or undeserved."
I then agree with the rest of what the CIPD has said in that final paragraph. There shouldn't be that much uncertainty in most businesses.
p1stonhead said:
... in preventing tourism to Scotland so the tourists won't have to listen to that gob-ste fish woman north of the border jjlynn27 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
I do post some bs (bloody spectacular) stuff don't I? Can I take the cake and eat it too? Chocolate?
Look, the EU regs have been a nightmare and a farce, without them there wouldn't be the need for ZHC's, simple fact.
Which 'EU regs' have caused 'need for ZHC'?Look, the EU regs have been a nightmare and a farce, without them there wouldn't be the need for ZHC's, simple fact.
jjlynn27 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
I do post some bs (bloody spectacular) stuff don't I? Can I take the cake and eat it too? Chocolate?
Look, the EU regs have been a nightmare and a farce, without them there wouldn't be the need for ZHC's, simple fact.
Which 'EU regs' have caused 'need for ZHC'?Look, the EU regs have been a nightmare and a farce, without them there wouldn't be the need for ZHC's, simple fact.
Likes Fast Cars said:
Take your pick. One of the biggest is the ability to hire & fire as the economic cycle shifts, or as the business strategy drives the need to relocate / restructure / change fundamental aspects of the business. Instead of being able to ramp up or down with staff numbers (or even roles) with certainty of costs (by that I include exposure to "unfair dismissal" claims, etc., as enshrined in EU Law) the need for ZHC's and other mechanisms has gained momentum. It's out there, the IoD has published enough on it including members' surveys expressing their concerns at EU Regulation.
To be fair I suspect most of that we have done to ourselves. Only the French are better at it (which I believe Marconi wants to sort). I'm surprised the rest of the SJWs haven't jumped down your throat asking which other human rights you wish removed when we leave
Murph7355 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Take your pick. One of the biggest is the ability to hire & fire as the economic cycle shifts, or as the business strategy drives the need to relocate / restructure / change fundamental aspects of the business. Instead of being able to ramp up or down with staff numbers (or even roles) with certainty of costs (by that I include exposure to "unfair dismissal" claims, etc., as enshrined in EU Law) the need for ZHC's and other mechanisms has gained momentum. It's out there, the IoD has published enough on it including members' surveys expressing their concerns at EU Regulation.
To be fair I suspect most of that we have done to ourselves. Only the French are better at it (which I believe Marconi wants to sort). I'm surprised the rest of the SJWs haven't jumped down your throat asking which other human rights you wish removed when we leave
The right to breathe the air blowing across from the continent on a sunny day.....
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