Snap General Election?
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Justayellowbadge said:
Dear God, Corbyn was woeful beyond belief in his final PMQs.
I think the pressure is getting to him. The realisation that a whole Party actually expects him to say, and do, something useful, factual and relevant is clearly getting to him. Life was much quieter when he just had an Abbott to satisfy.........
Jonmx said:
PH favourite George Monbiot has written a piece for the Guardian about why we should all vote for Corbyn and chums; thanks but no thanks George you humourless buffoon.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr...
Well at least he recognises the utter mess we were left in by his favourite party when last in government. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr...
Shame his conclusion is that they weren't Left enough. Their problem was that they were just Left enough to leave us up s
t creek. Not sure how going further in that direction could possibly be an improvement. That is a revision of history really. One can't really blame Labour for the crash although many seem to swallow that one, up to that point they had 2 big problems that turned people against them in their droves:
1) Taking us into a war on a pack of lies, and then over-stretching us into another war that was impossible to win
2) Thousands of new laws backed up by increasingly petty fining of people that has made being slightly 'criminalised' normal, a very bad road to go down.
Both of those things got peoples blood boiling.
1) Taking us into a war on a pack of lies, and then over-stretching us into another war that was impossible to win
2) Thousands of new laws backed up by increasingly petty fining of people that has made being slightly 'criminalised' normal, a very bad road to go down.
Both of those things got peoples blood boiling.
NJH said:
That is a revision of history really. One can't really blame Labour for the crash although many seem to swallow that one, up to that point they had 2 big problems that turned people against them in their droves:
1) Taking us into a war on a pack of lies, and then over-stretching us into another war that was impossible to win
2) Thousands of new laws backed up by increasingly petty fining of people that has made being slightly 'criminalised' normal, a very bad road to go down.
Both of those things got peoples blood boiling.
One can blame them for the debt they encouraged, the disastrous change of bank regulator and the excessive spending that led to a massive structural deficit, leading to the country being very poorly placed when the crash hit.1) Taking us into a war on a pack of lies, and then over-stretching us into another war that was impossible to win
2) Thousands of new laws backed up by increasingly petty fining of people that has made being slightly 'criminalised' normal, a very bad road to go down.
Both of those things got peoples blood boiling.
By far the vast majority of debt incurred was due to excessive spending, not bank bailouts. Not sure who else you can blame that on?
NJH said:
That is a revision of history really. One can't really blame Labour for the crash although many seem to swallow that one, up to that point they had 2 big problems that turned people against them in their droves:
1) Taking us into a war on a pack of lies, and then over-stretching us into another war that was impossible to win
2) Thousands of new laws backed up by increasingly petty fining of people that has made being slightly 'criminalised' normal, a very bad road to go down.
Both of those things got peoples blood boiling.
Except Blair got re-elected. At the time they'd have kept re-electing him ad infinitum. It was Brown and the crash that opened the door for the coalition.1) Taking us into a war on a pack of lies, and then over-stretching us into another war that was impossible to win
2) Thousands of new laws backed up by increasingly petty fining of people that has made being slightly 'criminalised' normal, a very bad road to go down.
Both of those things got peoples blood boiling.
Since then the public opinion on Blair is that of a war criminal. But so much came out afterwards. Blair could never be re-elected now.
But a Blairite Government, free of his taint, "Left Lite" would be a strong challenger against Mrs May's Tories, perhaps not now, but in 2022 its quite a possibility. So long as Corbyn keeps the party properly crazy, though, we won't have to worry about that.
Mrr T said:
gothatway said:
Back to the question of right to remain (whether in the UK or the rEU) :
My understanding is that it is up to individual members of the EU to determine their policy regarding rights to work/live for nationals of countries outside the EU.
Hence the 27 rEU members will each decide for themselves whether to allow UK nationals to remain in their countries; it is not something which the EU can impose on them, and hence not something which the EU could agree in exchange for the UK granting a right to remain for EU nationals already in the UK.
Can anyone confirm (or deny) my understanding of the situation ?
Your correct. This will require primary legislation in 27 countries. The Brexit buffoons will tell you this will only take 10 minutes.My understanding is that it is up to individual members of the EU to determine their policy regarding rights to work/live for nationals of countries outside the EU.
Hence the 27 rEU members will each decide for themselves whether to allow UK nationals to remain in their countries; it is not something which the EU can impose on them, and hence not something which the EU could agree in exchange for the UK granting a right to remain for EU nationals already in the UK.
Can anyone confirm (or deny) my understanding of the situation ?
Trax said:
I cannot see the mainly retirees living in Spain, France etc will not be overly welcome indefinitely, or not be allowed to move over in the future.
Given the tortuous English, I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make. Top tip : most thoughts can be expressed with at most one negative.My view is that the Spanish (and to a lesser extent French, Italians and Greeks) would be very reluctant to lose the large number of UK expats who spend their UK-funded pensions in Spain(/France.Italy/Greece).
Edited by gothatway on Wednesday 26th April 21:13
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PH XKR said:
benjiwengy said:
Halb said:
A flat tax welded onto a land value tax might be the fairest most equitable of all?
It is. The YPPUK are proposing to replace most taxes with a flat 20% tax on all income + LVT. From that a typical UK working household would be over £10K a year better off.You can download their free compare your tax app at Google Play.
Mrr T said:
I see we have the grammar police out. Shame they do not know how to include quotes.
The EU have already made this clear in there negotiation guidelines. However, this will require primary legislation in 27 countries. That will take time.
You clearly have given no thought as to how you say something. Why would we imagine you have given thought to what you are saying? The EU have already made this clear in there negotiation guidelines. However, this will require primary legislation in 27 countries. That will take time.
jjlynn27 said:
I didn't think or care if you called me 'SJW'. I find it funny that a grown up would use that term.
Why is it only left wing posters who develop this obsessive behaviour on some threads of taking everyone on and trying to always get the last word? It doesn't seem like a healthy thing to do.princealbert23 said:
Why is it only left wing posters who develop this obsessive behaviour on some threads of taking everyone on and trying to always get the last word? It doesn't seem like a healthy thing to do.
They don't debate the point, because they know it won't go well.Thats why Labour and the SNP particularly say 'get the Tories out' rather than 'vote for us'.
Robertj21a said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Dear God, Corbyn was woeful beyond belief in his final PMQs.
I think the pressure is getting to him. The realisation that a whole Party actually expects him to say, and do, something useful, factual and relevant is clearly getting to him. Life was much quieter when he just had an Abbott to satisfy.........I'm fairly certain you'll hear nothing on May at all (other than, she won), it will all be about whether Corbyn will do the honourable thing.
eta: He won't.
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