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FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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///ajd said:
FN2TypeR said:
That is surely a hoax

Surely? confused
It must be. Some seem to be defending it.........
No surprise considering what I've seen here in my short stint of membership, I'm convinced that some of the more "opinionated" of contributors are the love children of Eugene Terre'Blanche and Nick Griffin

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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///ajd said:
p1stonhead said:
s2art said:
p1stonhead said:
That last section rofl

Dont scoff too soon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/space-mini...
Would love for all of it to be possible in my lifetime but to put it in an election pledge?!
Don't scoff?

He's advocating an "Interstellar colony ship" for around the price of a mass produced Airbus A320.

Why isn't anyone else doing this?

The archetypal UKIP fruitloop.
Try reading for comprehension. He wasnt. Not that I think that spending money on interstellar colony ship stuff is sensible, but investing in cheaper space access is.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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s2art said:
///ajd said:
p1stonhead said:
s2art said:
p1stonhead said:
That last section rofl

Dont scoff too soon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/space-mini...
Would love for all of it to be possible in my lifetime but to put it in an election pledge?!
Don't scoff?

He's advocating an "Interstellar colony ship" for around the price of a mass produced Airbus A320.

Why isn't anyone else doing this?

The archetypal UKIP fruitloop.
Try reading for comprehension. He wasnt. Not that I think that spending money on interstellar colony ship stuff is sensible, but investing in cheaper space access is.
Awesome.

He is talking about investing £1.2Bn. Which is about the cost of 3 Airbus A380s. And he thinks he can end up with space ships and successfully mining Saturns moons by 2026 for that.

Given Saturn is over a billion kilometers away, this is lunacy on a literally stellar scale.

He is no Elon Musk.



jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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FN2TypeR said:
That is surely a hoax

Surely? confused
It's not.

You are just not the target audience.

W124

1,497 posts

137 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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FN2TypeR said:
Electoral calculus gives the Tories a majority

Of 23
That would be a disaster for May. I never bought the idea that all the UKIP votes would go to the Tories. Though a Tory through and through, I just can't bring myself to vote for this gouvernmemt. Teresa May is not really a Conservative. I don't know what she is. I don't know what she thinks. To give Jeremy Corbyn some credit - at least I know I disagree with him. If you see what I mean.

Lance Catamaran

24,942 posts

226 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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W124 said:
FN2TypeR said:
Electoral calculus gives the Tories a majority

Of 23
That would be a disaster for May. I never bought the idea that all the UKIP votes would go to the Tories. Though a Tory through and through, I just can't bring myself to vote for this gouvernmemt. Teresa May is not really a Conservative. I don't know what she is. I don't know what she thinks. To give Jeremy Corbyn some credit - at least I know I disagree with him. If you see what I mean.
She's running against someone whose own party hates him, has dealings with and praised terrorist organisations, is in the pocket of the unions, wants a self-avowed Marxist to be in charge of the economy, someone who left school at 15 to be in charge of education and someone who wanted MI5 disbanded to be in charge of national security.

Seriously, how are they managing to fk this up?

kiethton

13,883 posts

179 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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If those polls are acccurate and Labour get any more of an advantage I am genuinely scared, although I would make a killing shorting gilts and sterling I would genuinely worry where the cash was coming from.

Typically the torys would then be named the nasty party (again) for having to sort their st out!

MaxSo

1,910 posts

94 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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lol

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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///ajd said:
s2art said:
///ajd said:
p1stonhead said:
s2art said:
p1stonhead said:
That last section rofl

Dont scoff too soon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/space-mini...
Would love for all of it to be possible in my lifetime but to put it in an election pledge?!
Don't scoff?

He's advocating an "Interstellar colony ship" for around the price of a mass produced Airbus A320.

Why isn't anyone else doing this?

The archetypal UKIP fruitloop.
Try reading for comprehension. He wasnt. Not that I think that spending money on interstellar colony ship stuff is sensible, but investing in cheaper space access is.
Awesome.

He is talking about investing £1.2Bn. Which is about the cost of 3 Airbus A380s. And he thinks he can end up with space ships and successfully mining Saturns moons by 2026 for that.

Given Saturn is over a billion kilometers away, this is lunacy on a literally stellar scale.

He is no Elon Musk.
So the government giving grants to companies such as https://www.reactionengines.co.uk/aboutus/ is lunacy on a stellar scale?

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

135 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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W124 said:
Though a Tory through and through, I just can't bring myself to vote for this gouvernmemt. Teresa May is not really a Conservative. I don't know what she is. I don't know what she thinks.
You aren't the only one from what I hear.

Though I'm pretty sure I know what she is and what she thinks - a nasty little authoritarian who thinks people shouldn't be trusted with anything.

It's how she's been for years and a bit of presentational polish since becoming PM (by a process of elimination, rather than any merit) hasn't changed a thing.

There genuinely are no good options in this election, just a range of different st.

W124

1,497 posts

137 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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Not enough polish though. She is the problem. She has no core. I disagree with Jeremy Corbyn on almost everything but at least I know what he thinks. And, credit where it's due, he was right to vote against military action in the Middle East. If he can successfully get that message across the Tories are in trouble. Also, a concerted effort from the other parties attacking May for cutting police numbers is going to sting. Whether or not it's a valid argument is irrelevant. The numbers look bad. Luckily I put £20 on Priti Patel as next Tory leader at 100/1. 33/1 now.

MaxSo

1,910 posts

94 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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The other thing I just realised is there's a good chance the new landscape of the election is going to mean the "clarification" of the "dementia tax" won't filter through to the same extent it might have done; meaning many people may be left with their original impression of the policy, pre-clarification.

So the cut though of any damage limitation the Tories hoped to achieve, will probably be weakened.

It could be said that the damage from having to make the clarification would equal out the repair from the people knowing about a cap, but I think in reality the "u-turn" will have cut through, whilst any reassurance to do a cap won't have.


Tuna

19,930 posts

283 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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W124 said:
Not enough polish though. She is the problem. She has no core. I disagree with Jeremy Corbyn on almost everything but at least I know what he thinks. And, credit where it's due, he was right to vote against military action in the Middle East. If he can successfully get that message across the Tories are in trouble. Also, a concerted effort from the other parties attacking May for cutting police numbers is going to sting. Whether or not it's a valid argument is irrelevant. The numbers look bad. Luckily I put £20 on Priti Patel as next Tory leader at 100/1. 33/1 now.
I'd disagree to some extent - she is quite consistent in her political approach and none of the current behaviour comes as a surprise given her actions as Home Secretary. The problem right now seems to be that she has relied too heavily on a small number of advisers who have allowed her to fall into the classic managerial mistake of trying to "stamp her mark" on the organisation she's now heading. The Conservatives didn't need to define a specific brand of conservatism for this election, nor did they have to take a strong stance (on anything really).

Instead they had to maintain a broad consensus on Brexit when their opponents were (are still) in disarray. They had to show they could be relied on not to take any untoward actions that might upset the economy. They had to show that they had the right people in the right places to handle Trump, Europe, and domestic affairs. In short, they had to collectively be a dull but safe government that could take credit for a dull and on the whole benign year following the vote last summer.

Instead, they have made it about one person and some very specific political views that aren't necessary common to all conservatives. Not only does that make it easier to attack 'The Tories', it disturbs their core voters and it makes it harder for others within the party to come to her aid. By not having a chance to build consensus policies, you end up with u-turns and false steps simply because not enough views have been taken into account. There are times when small teams are needed to make bold and radical steps - this absolutely wasn't one of them.

OzzyR1

5,701 posts

231 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Likes Fast Cars said:
Vaud said:
So... which polls will be a better indicator? Given the events, I'm guessing the polls early next week after a weekend of more somber campaigning will be indicative.

My hunch is a slight swing to the Tories. Courage under fire, strong against terror, exceptional times, etc.

UKIP and LD drop.
Usually the case in these situations. Encumbancy is worth a few % at least, generally speaking.
Conservative lead now down to 5 points according to one poll:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labo...


Likes Fast Cars

2,769 posts

164 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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W124 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
It's about effective policing and best use of the money available AND having a system that doesn't protect the guilty more than it protects the innocent.

Come 9 June hopefully May & co can get on with it and put the necessary legislation in place to support the police and security services to do their jobs effectively without pandering to the whinging lefties and SJWs who consider the "rights" of the guilty more important than those of the victims. That would be a constructive step forward.
Give away your freedoms if you like. You won't get them back. The PM's utter disregard for civil liberties has nothing to do with 'lefties' or Social Justice Warriors. Nothing at all. I'm a staunch Tory, and she scares the st out of me.
I'm also what you'd call a staunch Tory, but I'm not convinced the PM has an utter disregard for civil liberties.

I agree though that once anything is taken away you won't (or most of the time won't) get it back.

OzzyR1

5,701 posts

231 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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OzzyR1 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Vaud said:
So... which polls will be a better indicator? Given the events, I'm guessing the polls early next week after a weekend of more somber campaigning will be indicative.

My hunch is a slight swing to the Tories. Courage under fire, strong against terror, exceptional times, etc.

UKIP and LD drop.
Usually the case in these situations. Encumbancy is worth a few % at least, generally speaking.
Conservative lead now down to 5 points according to one poll:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labo...

Likes Fast Cars

2,769 posts

164 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Lance Catamaran said:
She's running against someone whose own party hates him, has dealings with and praised terrorist organisations, is in the pocket of the unions, wants a self-avowed Marxist to be in charge of the economy, someone who left school at 15 to be in charge of education and someone who wanted MI5 disbanded to be in charge of national security.

Seriously, how are they managing to fk this up?
& surprise surprise today's headlines -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427

Corbyn and terror used in the same sentence, again! Why is he synonymous with terrorists and terrorism?

How anyone can promise to reduce the terrorist threat is beyond me.....

Challo

10,043 posts

154 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Likes Fast Cars said:
Lance Catamaran said:
She's running against someone whose own party hates him, has dealings with and praised terrorist organisations, is in the pocket of the unions, wants a self-avowed Marxist to be in charge of the economy, someone who left school at 15 to be in charge of education and someone who wanted MI5 disbanded to be in charge of national security.

Seriously, how are they managing to fk this up?
& surprise surprise today's headlines -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427

Corbyn and terror used in the same sentence, again! Why is he synonymous with terrorists and terrorism?

How anyone can promise to reduce the terrorist threat is beyond me.....
About the post the same thing. It's going to go down well with voters I think.

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Challo said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Lance Catamaran said:
She's running against someone whose own party hates him, has dealings with and praised terrorist organisations, is in the pocket of the unions, wants a self-avowed Marxist to be in charge of the economy, someone who left school at 15 to be in charge of education and someone who wanted MI5 disbanded to be in charge of national security.

Seriously, how are they managing to fk this up?
& surprise surprise today's headlines -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427

Corbyn and terror used in the same sentence, again! Why is he synonymous with terrorists and terrorism?

How anyone can promise to reduce the terrorist threat is beyond me.....
About the post the same thing. It's going to go down well with voters I think.
Not sure how well it can be argued against to be fair. We do love meddling.

He said it before Iraq in 2003.

“For those who say that this is a necessary and just conflict because it will bring about peace and security, September 11 was a dreadful event, 8,000 deaths in Afghanistan brought back none of those who died in the World Trade Centre.

“Thousands more deaths in Iraq will not make things right.

“It will set off a spiral of conflict, of hate, of misery, of desperation that will fuel the wars, the conflict, the terrorism, the depression and the misery of future generations.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corby...

The Hypno-Toad

12,249 posts

204 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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I've seen the poll numbers in overnight and they have me profoundly concerned. How have the Conservatives let a 20 lead slide? I haven't posted much on this thread so far during the campaign but here's my one I made earlier.

1.) Crap manifesto.
The people who want to come away from Labour want something different, exciting. Something that makes it easy to justify their actions to their friends and online.
"Well the Conservatives said they were going to do something about x and Labour didn't mention/have some looney extremist nonsense they made think the Tories were the ones to go for,"
If you're going to change from a party you've voted for 20+ years, you better make sure that you have a good reason. There isn't one to be found in the bland, badly thought out excuse for a manifesto that the Conservatives published so people will be thinking,
"I'll just put my tick in the red box as usual,"

2.) Utter compliancy.
"The polls say we're going to win so why bother?"
Seen any billboards? Many newspaper ads? Does anyone care about Party Political Broadcasts any more?
The Conservatives thought they were just going to steam roller this one without any effort at all. Corbyns a nutjob, some vague idea of a 'coalition of chaos' (which is now rapidly gaining traction.) and that'll do. Now the Labour Party are homing in on Downing Street they are rabbits caught in the headlights and they don't know how to get the votes they thought were safe back because ideas on the internet would appear to be far more popular than slogans on billboard. (well, duh!)
And anyway the old people who don't look much at the internet will always vote for us even if we take their pensions away? Yeah, Corbyns a nutter, won't be a problem.

3.) The Labour Party actually do know what they are doing.
I know shocking isn't it? Concentrate on local issues, not national ones. If you are in an marginal, totally ignore Corbyn. If needs be stand aside for the coalition of chaos. Focus on the special interest groups because they are very angry, very internet savvy and also have people on the ground. Plus there are lots of them. So have a manifesto that can hoover them all up into one big "coalition of chaos,"

4.) Counting on the UKIP vote.
Again they just thought all of that slice of the electorate would just gently swing back round to them with no problems without understanding that these voters have already broken free of three party system and are now totally able to cast their votes on party that suits their needs the best. Again, compliancy.

5.) No real plan about the elephant in the room.
Which of course, is immigration. Talking to everyone I know at work and socially that is the one big concern outside of the economy rightly or wrongly, especially after this weeks events. Nothing concrete, nothing to ease peoples concerns and might tempt Labour voters who are would about this issue. Nothing.

And now we are counting down to the last week and its looking increasingly likely that rather than consigning the Labour Party to the dustbin of history there is a good chance May will have at the very least strengthened their position in Parliament, strengthened Corbyns position hugely and possibly left the door open for the biggest catastrophe & threat to our democracy since the 1970s.

Have the Conservatives learned nothing from Trump, Le Pen and Brexit? The people don't want to be boxed in anymore, they don't trust politicians and in some respects would rather vote in a completely contrary way just to show you that they have the power.

I was very ill ten years ago (won't bore anyone with the details.) and couldn't work. Nearly lost the flat, had to rely on handouts from a charity linked to my illness and some small funding from my family. After I struggled to find a good job. I now have one. In fact its a great job and I'm earning really good money which enables me to buy some small treats which I had to go without for a long time. And now the idea that this petty minded, quick tempered, bombastic, unskilled Communist idiot who has never done a proper days work in his life and lives in a socialist dreamland of milk and honey, could possibly undo all of the hard work that I have done to fight way back to decent life, makes feel totally sick to my stomach.

The thought of him and his cronies with their hands on the levers of power scares me to death & I believe would change the face and the democratic systems of this country beyond recognition. Remember, this is a man would not give up leadership of his party when everyone told him to go. Do you really think he's going to leave Downing Street once he's sent us all to the 70s?
People say he doesn't want to be Prime Minister, he just wants to transform the Labour Party. Anyone who has seen the fire in his eyes when he gets angry, knows that this is total rubbish. This is his time to prove that he is right! Everyone else was always wrong! He will lead us to the promised land and if you don't like it.......

I am very worried because I don't want that man anywhere Number 10. I dread to think what is hidden away behind the manifesto but I certainly don't want to live through it.

This should have been on repeat at CCHQ right from the moment May flicked the switch because they clearly weren't paying attention...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkMA6JPOHU

Now off to work...




Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Friday 26th May 07:21


Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Friday 26th May 07:23

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