Snap General Election?
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p1stonhead said:
Challo said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Lance Catamaran said:
She's running against someone whose own party hates him, has dealings with and praised terrorist organisations, is in the pocket of the unions, wants a self-avowed Marxist to be in charge of the economy, someone who left school at 15 to be in charge of education and someone who wanted MI5 disbanded to be in charge of national security.
Seriously, how are they managing to f
k this up?
& surprise surprise today's headlines - Seriously, how are they managing to f
k this up?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427
Corbyn and terror used in the same sentence, again! Why is he synonymous with terrorists and terrorism?
How anyone can promise to reduce the terrorist threat is beyond me.....
He said it before Iraq in 2003.
“For those who say that this is a necessary and just conflict because it will bring about peace and security, September 11 was a dreadful event, 8,000 deaths in Afghanistan brought back none of those who died in the World Trade Centre.
“Thousands more deaths in Iraq will not make things right.
“It will set off a spiral of conflict, of hate, of misery, of desperation that will fuel the wars, the conflict, the terrorism, the depression and the misery of future generations.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corby...
p1stonhead said:
Challo said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Lance Catamaran said:
She's running against someone whose own party hates him, has dealings with and praised terrorist organisations, is in the pocket of the unions, wants a self-avowed Marxist to be in charge of the economy, someone who left school at 15 to be in charge of education and someone who wanted MI5 disbanded to be in charge of national security.
Seriously, how are they managing to fk this up?
& surprise surprise today's headlines - Seriously, how are they managing to f
k this up?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427
Corbyn and terror used in the same sentence, again! Why is he synonymous with terrorists and terrorism?
How anyone can promise to reduce the terrorist threat is beyond me.....
He said it before Iraq in 2003.
“For those who say that this is a necessary and just conflict because it will bring about peace and security, September 11 was a dreadful event, 8,000 deaths in Afghanistan brought back none of those who died in the World Trade Centre.
“Thousands more deaths in Iraq will not make things right.
“It will set off a spiral of conflict, of hate, of misery, of desperation that will fuel the wars, the conflict, the terrorism, the depression and the misery of future generations.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corby...
tter.
Likes Fast Cars said:
p1stonhead said:
Challo said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Lance Catamaran said:
She's running against someone whose own party hates him, has dealings with and praised terrorist organisations, is in the pocket of the unions, wants a self-avowed Marxist to be in charge of the economy, someone who left school at 15 to be in charge of education and someone who wanted MI5 disbanded to be in charge of national security.
Seriously, how are they managing to fk this up?
& surprise surprise today's headlines - Seriously, how are they managing to f
k this up?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427
Corbyn and terror used in the same sentence, again! Why is he synonymous with terrorists and terrorism?
How anyone can promise to reduce the terrorist threat is beyond me.....
He said it before Iraq in 2003.
“For those who say that this is a necessary and just conflict because it will bring about peace and security, September 11 was a dreadful event, 8,000 deaths in Afghanistan brought back none of those who died in the World Trade Centre.
“Thousands more deaths in Iraq will not make things right.
“It will set off a spiral of conflict, of hate, of misery, of desperation that will fuel the wars, the conflict, the terrorism, the depression and the misery of future generations.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corby...
tter.But he has no chance anyway to be fair.
Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 26th May 07:34
The trouble for May is that Corbyn is right to link international terrorism and our insane adventures in the Middle East. There's no point in pretending he isn't. All this 'four legs good, two legs bad' stuff is just childish. As I've said many, many times, I am conservative through and through. But Corbyn, on this point, this specific point, is right.
Ideologically I think there are a lot of people in Britain who would happily see more immigration, military spending being cut, a soft Brexit that is barely Brexit at all, higher taxes in return for more spending on public services, and efforts to reduce our reliance on rampant capitalism and a relentless increase in consumption.
If you start with the vision and the ideological aspects of what our country should be...instead of focusing on the economic aspects, then Labournis the only party with a coherent vision. I have no idea what kind of country Britain would be in a Comservative led post Brexit situation.
If you start with the vision and the ideological aspects of what our country should be...instead of focusing on the economic aspects, then Labournis the only party with a coherent vision. I have no idea what kind of country Britain would be in a Comservative led post Brexit situation.
lenny007 said:
1. I'd love to know how another 10,000 police officers would have stopped a radicalised nutjob wacko murdering 22 innocent people by blowing himself up. Had he committed a crime before then in order to be stopped and arrested?
2. Can we not just fast forward to the 9th June and have this whole sorry election cycle over and done with? I'm sick to death of 24 hour 7 days a week political point scoring. People are seemingly so interested in pointing fingers and accusing people of negligence and complicity and forgetting that people have lost family members and children on Monday.
Then again, i'm presuming that if May and the Conservatives win on the 8th there'll be protests on the 9th by Momentum members and Corbyn supporters.
Should be an interesting interface of lefty marxist protesters wanting to cause chaos and anarchy and armed soldiers under orders to protect the populace...
Sorry for referring to an older post, but did you watch the video? In summary a community police officer said that the cuts meant effective local community policing wasn't possible. He added that it was this sort of policing that gathered local intelligence. 2. Can we not just fast forward to the 9th June and have this whole sorry election cycle over and done with? I'm sick to death of 24 hour 7 days a week political point scoring. People are seemingly so interested in pointing fingers and accusing people of negligence and complicity and forgetting that people have lost family members and children on Monday.
Then again, i'm presuming that if May and the Conservatives win on the 8th there'll be protests on the 9th by Momentum members and Corbyn supporters.
Should be an interesting interface of lefty marxist protesters wanting to cause chaos and anarchy and armed soldiers under orders to protect the populace...
If you take the example of the attack this week. There seems to have been a lot of people reporting this guy and nothing being done.
As I said before no one will ever prove there is a direct link between the cuts and this attack. I do think that if there had been more officers in the community the likelyhood of him remaining unnoticed would be much lower.
W124 said:
The trouble for May is that Corbyn is right to link international terrorism and our insane adventures in the Middle East. There's no point in pretending he isn't. All this 'four legs good, two legs bad' stuff is just childish. As I've said many, many times, I am conservative through and through. But Corbyn, on this point, this specific point, is right.
Charles Clarke (yes, a recent Labour Home Secretary) doesn't agree with you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTBgjm3AQos
pingu393 said:
W124 said:
The trouble for May is that Corbyn is right to link international terrorism and our insane adventures in the Middle East. There's no point in pretending he isn't. All this 'four legs good, two legs bad' stuff is just childish. As I've said many, many times, I am conservative through and through. But Corbyn, on this point, this specific point, is right.
Charles Clarke (yes, a recent Labour Home Secretary) doesn't agree with you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTBgjm3AQos
The Hypno-Toad said:
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........ its a great job and I'm earning really good money which enables me to buy some small treats which I had to go without for a long time. And now the idea that this petty minded, quick tempered, bombastic, unskilled Communist idiot who has never done a proper days work in his life and lives in a socialist dreamland of milk and honey, could possibly undo all of the hard work that I have done to fight way back to decent life, makes feel totally sick to my stomach.
The thought of him and his cronies with their hands on the levers of power scares me to death & I believe would change the face and the democratic systems of this country beyond recognition. Remember, this is a man would not give up leadership of his party when everyone told him to go. Do you really think he's going to leave Downing Street once he's sent us all to the 70s?
People say he doesn't want to be Prime Minister, he just wants to transform the Labour Party. Anyone who has seen the fire in his eyes when he gets angry, knows that this is total rubbish. This is his time to prove that he is right! Everyone else was always wrong! He will lead us to the promised land and if you don't like it.......
I am very worried because I don't want that man anywhere Number 10. I dread to think what is hidden away behind the manifesto but I certainly don't want to live through it.
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And this is why hopefully common sense will prevail on 8 June and large numbers will turn out to not vote for Labour......... its a great job and I'm earning really good money which enables me to buy some small treats which I had to go without for a long time. And now the idea that this petty minded, quick tempered, bombastic, unskilled Communist idiot who has never done a proper days work in his life and lives in a socialist dreamland of milk and honey, could possibly undo all of the hard work that I have done to fight way back to decent life, makes feel totally sick to my stomach.
The thought of him and his cronies with their hands on the levers of power scares me to death & I believe would change the face and the democratic systems of this country beyond recognition. Remember, this is a man would not give up leadership of his party when everyone told him to go. Do you really think he's going to leave Downing Street once he's sent us all to the 70s?
People say he doesn't want to be Prime Minister, he just wants to transform the Labour Party. Anyone who has seen the fire in his eyes when he gets angry, knows that this is total rubbish. This is his time to prove that he is right! Everyone else was always wrong! He will lead us to the promised land and if you don't like it.......
I am very worried because I don't want that man anywhere Number 10. I dread to think what is hidden away behind the manifesto but I certainly don't want to live through it.
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Lance Catamaran said:
Shame he wasn't so quick to condemn the IRA when they were trying to blow us up
Exactly. Terrorists are terrorists, they don't negotiate, they have no boundaries, and in the case of the current crop of Jihadists they don't give a rat's arse about any war anywhere it's a convenient excuse to try and legitimise their murder and slaughter of others.W124 said:
pingu393 said:
W124 said:
The trouble for May is that Corbyn is right to link international terrorism and our insane adventures in the Middle East. There's no point in pretending he isn't. All this 'four legs good, two legs bad' stuff is just childish. As I've said many, many times, I am conservative through and through. But Corbyn, on this point, this specific point, is right.
Charles Clarke (yes, a recent Labour Home Secretary) doesn't agree with you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTBgjm3AQos
Likes Fast Cars said:
Lance Catamaran said:
Shame he wasn't so quick to condemn the IRA when they were trying to blow us up
Exactly. Terrorists are terrorists, they don't negotiate, they have no boundaries, and in the case of the current crop of Jihadists they don't give a rat's arse about any war anywhere it's a convenient excuse to try and legitimise their murder and slaughter of others.W124 said:
The trouble for May is that Corbyn is right to link international terrorism and our insane adventures in the Middle East. There's no point in pretending he isn't. All this 'four legs good, two legs bad' stuff is just childish. As I've said many, many times, I am conservative through and through. But Corbyn, on this point, this specific point, is right.
Corbyn's Big Problem, as I see it, is that his position is a classic opposition one: i.e. 'What is being done is wrong" - full stop. There's no solution that he is offering. He is just saying that the current approach isn't the right solution. That doesn't work when you cease to be the opposition and become the government. At that point you need a solution.
One can argue that The Troubles in NI came to an end through negotiation rather than conflict (though as I recall it was rather more complex than that - the IRA's bombing campaign eventually became too much for its non-militant supporters leading to a change of opinion in its broad base of support, leading to a need to change its overall approach).
But the IRA's objective was to get the British out of NI, whereas IS, ISIS or ISIL, or al-whatever doesn't have a "leave us alone" objective; their objective is to export their belief system massively. That's as difficult to negotiate to a standstill as it was difficult to negotiate away Hitler's desire for lebensraum or Japan's territorial expansion ambitions.
So, returning to JC's Big Problem, what is his solution I wonder, because isolationalism isn't going to protect us from further attacks, IMO.
Likes Fast Cars said:
Lance Catamaran said:
Shame he wasn't so quick to condemn the IRA when they were trying to blow us up
Exactly. Terrorists are terrorists, they don't negotiate, they have no boundaries, and in the case of the current crop of Jihadists they don't give a rat's arse about any war anywhere it's a convenient excuse to try and legitimise their murder and slaughter of others.Think of it this way, after Monday how many comments have we seen along the lines of "Just f
king nuke the middle east" or "Bomb the st out of Libya"?Essentially some people take the view "They killed our kids so let's kill them".
Of course it's only a tiny minority who think that way but if they had the chance do you think they'd press the button and do it?
See any parallels?
Greg66 said:
Corbyn's Big Problem, as I see it, is that his position is a classic opposition one: i.e. 'What is being done is wrong" - full stop. There's no solution that he is offering. He is just saying that the current approach isn't the right solution.
That was neither a problem for Trump, nor for the Brexit 'movement'.W124 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Lance Catamaran said:
Shame he wasn't so quick to condemn the IRA when they were trying to blow us up
Exactly. Terrorists are terrorists, they don't negotiate, they have no boundaries, and in the case of the current crop of Jihadists they don't give a rat's arse about any war anywhere it's a convenient excuse to try and legitimise their murder and slaughter of others.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff