Snap General Election?

[jakesmith]

BigMon said:

And someone is getting paid to come up with those tactics!

Whoever is responsible for the Tory campaign is about as much use as an inflatable dartboard.

It was an open goal for the Tories when announced, they've royally cocked it up haven't they

[wc98]

BigMon said:

You keep saying this, but the polls aren't reflecting it.

Why do you think they will suddenly change? The Tory campaign is an utter shambles.

yes, the tories are an utter shambles ,trouble is the alternatives are worse, a lot worse.

[Solocle]

wc98 said:

i think it is the calibre of many politicians . i struggle to name one i would give the time of day to.

Jacob Rees-Mogg!

[BigMon]

jakesmith said:

It was an open goal for the Tories when announced, they've royally cocked it up haven't they

Labour are promising the moon on a stick and it's being lapped up by the gullible.

The Conservatives are just saying along the lines of 'Don't vote for Corbyn, he can't be trusted'.

Why not prove it? Surely it can't be hard. Start with posters with that 'There is no money left letter' after the last Labour government left.

[Halb]

johnxjsc1985 said:

It needs to be shouted from the roof tops at every opportunity " FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T LET JEZZA IN".

One of the talking heads (the best one, former sky man, but always forget name) on DP this week spoke on why May did so poorly in her Brillo interview, and generally as she goes on, her repetition of the 'strong and stable' is too rigid and disengaging, he reckoned (I think) she will change that tack, since it appears to have harmed her slightly.
We shall se, the format tonight wil help that.

[T6 vanman]

PurpleAki said:

I'm actually serious in saying I think I could do a better job and not make as many cock ups as these people. And I'd say the same about a great many posters on this site. There are some clever people on here who simply couldn't do any worse than these imbeciles.

Really ...!

What with planting sausage in Checkers and dominating the stairways in Downing street they'd never have any time to spend in Westminster?

BigMon said:

snuffy said:

I've just watched May's election broadcast. She basically said "for god's sake,don't let Jezza in". I don't think that's the best approach considering she called the election in the first place.

And someone is getting paid to come up with those tactics!

Whoever is responsible for the Tory campaign is about as much use as an inflatable dartboard.

It just needed 15~30 seconds for her to say " allow me to protect the NHS, Education and the economy we the policies we will continue with ................ but nothing

[p1stonhead]

BigMon said:

jakesmith said:

It was an open goal for the Tories when announced, they've royally cocked it up haven't they

Labour are promising the moon on a stick and it's being lapped up by the gullible.

The Conservatives are just saying along the lines of 'Don't vote for Corbyn, he can't be trusted'.

Why not prove it? Surely it can't be hard. Start with posters with that 'There is no money left letter' after the last Labour government left.

They are looking pretty pathetic now considering they called this election presumably in the belief they were invincible. Now there is a (probably 0.1%) chance they will lose, they are doing the equivalent of shouting 'st we didn't think this through don't actually go to the polls thinking you have a choice/dilemma in your head please!'

[snuffy]

p1stonhead said:

They are looking pretty pathetic now considering they called this election presumably in the belief they were invincible

Indeed. The only reason Cameron called the EU referendum was that because he presumed he'd win.

[turbobloke]

BigMon said:

Burwood said:

Expect a lot of repetitious nonsense. He knows what the show stoppers are and the truth is to be avoided at all costs. I do expect the Conservatives to gain several points this week.

Diane Abbott will come up. It will be interesting to watch him squirm.

You keep saying this, but the polls aren't reflecting it.

Why do you think they will suddenly change? The Tory campaign is an utter shambles.

To the same degree that they changed in the first place, they're changing again.

As posted earlier today...and I'm deliberately choosing the polls (below) to show that a change has taken place somehow in some polls taken throughout last week and published over the weekend: Only the topline CON and LAB numbers are shown here, my earlier post had the full results from these and other weekend polls.

ComRes for the Sunday Mirror
CON 46%
LAB 34%

ICM for the Sun on Sunday
CON 46%
LAB 32%

Opinium
CON 45%
LAB 35%

[Halb]

p1stonhead said:

They are looking pretty pathetic now considering they called this election presumably in the belief they were invincible. Now there is a (probably 0.1%) chance they will lose, they are doing the equivalent of shouting 'st we didn't think this through don't actually go to the polls thinking you have a choice/dilemma in your head please!'

The biggest part of the manifesto seems to be, 'don't vote for the other guy!' It does seem a lil bizarre considering TM pushed for this.
I really dislike negative campaigning, and research has shown it doesn't work, has the opposite effect.
It feels like we're only two steps away from, 'put him in gaol!'

[turbobloke]

snuffy said:

p1stonhead said:

They are looking pretty pathetic now considering they called this election presumably in the belief they were invincible

Indeed. The only reason Cameron called the EU referendum was that because he presumed he'd win.

CMD being mistaken is hardly surprising, it doesn't mean TM must be mistaken.

[MiniMan64]

wc98 said:

BigMon said:

You keep saying this, but the polls aren't reflecting it.

Why do you think they will suddenly change? The Tory campaign is an utter shambles.

yes, the tories are an utter shambles ,trouble is the alternatives are worse, a lot worse.

The alternative is offering a much rosier picture to the masses and it is working.

It is incredible that they are fumbling it this badly, the whole thing should be a forgone conclusion at this point.

Someone needs to remember that painting a negative picture of the opposition rather a positive picture of your own vision didn't work out too well at the last vote this country had...

[p1stonhead]

turbobloke said:

snuffy said:

p1stonhead said:

They are looking pretty pathetic now considering they called this election presumably in the belief they were invincible

Indeed. The only reason Cameron called the EU referendum was that because he presumed he'd win.

CMD being mistaken is hardly surprising, it doesn't mean TM must be mistaken.

She called it to 'strengethen' her position though - not to be officially chosen as PM by the people.

IMO i don't think anyone else can win. Still an arrogant position to take though like Hillary...



Yes it's real albeit posted by her team not Hillary herself.

[turbobloke]

MiniMan64 said:

wc98 said:

BigMon said:

You keep saying this, but the polls aren't reflecting it.

Why do you think they will suddenly change? The Tory campaign is an utter shambles.

yes, the tories are an utter shambles ,trouble is the alternatives are worse, a lot worse.

The alternative is offering a much rosier picture to the masses and it is working.

It is incredible that they are fumbling it this badly, the whole thing should be a forgone conclusion at this point.

Someone needs to remember that painting a negative picture of the opposition rather a positive picture of your own vision didn't work out too well at the last vote this country had...

Considering the EU referendum rather than any GE and with the brexit campaiigning in mind, there's an essentilal difference. Those painting a bleak picture via Project Fear were unconvincing because it purely concerned a supposed future scenario not the present, and what was said didn't add up for a sufficient proportion of the electorate. With the prospect of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott in office there's no need for a project making up all manner of scare stories, reality as based on what we can see - here and now - is already scary enough, so it's less likely that a sufficient proportion of the electorate can be persuaded that present reality is wrong and that the future would be different i.e. less scary.

[BigMon]

turbobloke said:

With the prospect of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott in office there's no need for a project making up all manner of scare stories, reality as based on what we can see - here and now - is already scary enough, so it's less likely that a sufficient proportion of the electorate can be persuaded that present reality is wrong and that the future would be different i.e. less scary.

Well they need to sack whoever is in charge of their campaign and get someone in who can do the above then.

At the moment they are doing a terrible job of it.

[BlackLabel]

Awkward,

"A Conservative candidate for the seat formerly held by the murdered MP Jo Cox has apologised and blamed fatigue for telling a hustings: “We’ve not yet shot anybody so that’s wonderful.”

Ann Myatt made the comments while discussing the coming together of various communities in Batley and Spen, in West Yorkshire.

“This sort of evening is absolutely first-rate because we have here people of all faiths, we have here people from different parts of the community and we’ve not yet shot anybody so that’s wonderful,” she told the meeting."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/29/t...

[p1stonhead]

I've heard lots of negatives about both sides over the past week or so but nothing positive about either. Everyone is just throwing st at each other now it's a bit depressing that no one is arguing what they are for, just what they are against on the other side.

[oop north]

BigMon said:

turbobloke said:

With the prospect of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott in office there's no need for a project making up all manner of scare stories, reality as based on what we can see - here and now - is already scary enough, so it's less likely that a sufficient proportion of the electorate can be persuaded that present reality is wrong and that the future would be different i.e. less scary.

Well they need to sack whoever is in charge of their campaign and get someone in who can do the above then.

At the moment they are doing a terrible job of it.

Saw someone on twitter today in response to all this "old stuff" about Corbyn et al, say that they were more bothered about what is happening now than what happened years ago. So a number of people (who knows how many really) doesn't care what comes out about Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell - it's all in the past....

[MellowshipSlinky]

It's almost as if the Tories don't *want* to win the election.
More, wanting the opposition to take power for when the surely forthcoming Brexit / economic ststorm hits, and then another GE...

[turbobloke]

In which case they're about to win an election they don't want to win - but I suspect they do want to remain in office.

With more spin and hide the sausage they could have been perceived to run a better campaign but would it be better or just more effective due to the state of the electorate's collective judgement?