Pensions triple lock - doomed ?

Pensions triple lock - doomed ?

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crankedup

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25,764 posts

243 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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As thread title, will the Tories abolish the pension triple lock or at least have a fiddle with it?
With the rate of inflation rising I foresee in my crystal ball pensioners taking a hit over the next Parliament.
Apparently us oldies are already sharpening our pencil to place a voting X in a box which is not Tory. Our PM seems to be taking a very big gamble with the grey vote.
What do you say about the issue ?

Dixy

2,918 posts

205 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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You oldies were able to influence the current situation before it happened but failed to and have been well insulated from the recent cutbacks. Now you are whinging about having to lie in the bed you made. Finally you are threatening to sink the ship. I hope if you have children they despise you as much as I do.

///ajd

8,964 posts

206 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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crankedup said:
As thread title, will the Tories abolish the pension triple lock or at least have a fiddle with it?
With the rate of inflation rising I foresee in my crystal ball pensioners taking a hit over the next Parliament.
Apparently us oldies are already sharpening our pencil to place a voting X in a box which is not Tory. Our PM seems to be taking a very big gamble with the grey vote.
What do you say about the issue ?
Given loads of oldies swung the brexit vote putting the economic future of the UK in doubt, the sort of cuts the tories are warming us all up for - including pensions - are what you asked for. Why shouldn't you oldies grin and bear it - take some of the brunt of the next decade of hardship that you voted for?

May can even say she has a mandate to do it.

brickwall

5,236 posts

210 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Now is the perfect time to start unwinding the decades of grey vote bungs.

What are they gonna do - vote Corbyn? Unlikely.

May should go for it.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Nobody is suggesting cutting pensions. The suggestion is merely to scrap a scheme that means pensions are potentially increased by more than inflation for year after year. It's certainly nothing to do with Brexit, scrapping it just takes us back to the situation before 2010.

stongle

5,910 posts

162 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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crankedup said:
As thread title, will the Tories abolish the pension triple lock or at least have a fiddle with it?
With the rate of inflation rising I foresee in my crystal ball pensioners taking a hit over the next Parliament.
Apparently us oldies are already sharpening our pencil to place a voting X in a box which is not Tory. Our PM seems to be taking a very big gamble with the grey vote.
What do you say about the issue ?
Bit ironic coming from one of the more vociferous Brexit posters! With inflation being driven by GBP devaluation you have to wonder about the competence of the electorate. If you have a private pension, particularly invested in U.K. Equities the FX effect would actually be helping you given the effect of ftse companies with US earnings (and the current low interest rate environment).

Anyway, everyone has to take one for the team to get the best result of Brexit, we need to cut welfare spending across the board. With better healthcare people can work longer anyway (with an aging population private or self provision should be further encouraged - do it right and early retirement is a feasible option).

And who is the protest vote? Labour or Lib Dems; parties whom are going to bankrupt future generations? Anyone whom does this is a bit of a c**t.

basherX

2,470 posts

161 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Dr Jekyll said:
Nobody is suggesting cutting pensions. The suggestion is merely to scrap a scheme that means pensions are potentially increased by more than inflation for year after year. It's certainly nothing to do with Brexit, scrapping it just takes us back to the situation before 2010.
Indeed. There is absolutely no reason why we should be uplifting any state benefit by more than the rate of (CPI) inflation.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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stongle said:
And who is the protest vote? Labour or Lib Dems; parties whom are going to bankrupt future generations? Anyone whom does this is a bit of a c**t.
Whilst I agree with much of your post, it grates when people use 'whom' in place of 'who'. They are not interchangeable at all!

grumbledoak

31,527 posts

233 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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crankedup said:
What do you say about the issue ?
"Generation ME!" continues to disappoint.

loafer123

15,422 posts

215 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Increasing at the greater of earnings inflation or prices inflation is more than enough protection, so this is a good idea to reign in future welfare cost growth. Something has to give and it is either this or a more rapidly increasing retirement age.

stongle

5,910 posts

162 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Jimmy Recard said:
stongle said:
And who is the protest vote? Labour or Lib Dems; parties whom are going to bankrupt future generations? Anyone whom does this is a bit of a c**t.
Whilst I agree with much of your post, it grates when people use 'whom' in place of 'who'. They are not interchangeable at all!
Quite, unfortunately posting whilst enraged and using an I-phone can lead to such mistakes!

I'm actually amazed that the potential to loose a couple of quid a week is used as an opportunity to sabotage the health of the country.



98elise

26,474 posts

161 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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basherX said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Nobody is suggesting cutting pensions. The suggestion is merely to scrap a scheme that means pensions are potentially increased by more than inflation for year after year. It's certainly nothing to do with Brexit, scrapping it just takes us back to the situation before 2010.
Indeed. There is absolutely no reason why we should be uplifting any state benefit by more than the rate of (CPI) inflation.
As someone approaching retirement I completely agree.

A private pension with similar benefits would be quite expensive.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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these greedy pensioners paying for 50 plus years and then living the high life on £115 a week.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

123 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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If the Tories went ahead and did this the policy itself would have little impact on the lives of OAPs however it would create such a pr ststorm (much more than the recent NI changes or previously things like the pasty tax) that it would be foolish to go down this route publically. They should just bring it in through the backdoor once they've won the election.

eatcustard

1,003 posts

127 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Something tells me, May will back down on this.

bloomen

6,890 posts

159 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Pensions, along with much else in British society, are a Ponzi. At some point it has to crack. May as well be now.

chow pan toon

12,373 posts

237 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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The triple lock is a pretty transparent grey-vote bribe, I'd be glad to see the back of it. Still, as long as they vote more than the young it is no surprise to see where the sweeties get distributed.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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stongle said:
Bit ironic coming from one of the more vociferous Brexit posters! With inflation being driven by GBP devaluation you have to wonder about the competence of the electorate. If you have a private pension, particularly invested in U.K. Equities the FX effect would actually be helping you given the effect of ftse companies with US earnings (and the current low interest rate environment).
You appear to be confusing those who are saving for their retirement within a pension scheme (which will likely have equity exposure) and those who are already retired and hence are much less likely to be exposed to equities!

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Dr Jekyll said:
Nobody is suggesting cutting pensions. The suggestion is merely to scrap a scheme that means pensions are potentially increased by more than inflation for year after year. It's certainly nothing to do with Brexit, scrapping it just takes us back to the situation before 2010.
Everything (negative) is to do with Brexit as far as ///adj is concerned!!

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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johnxjsc1985 said:
these greedy pensioners paying for 50 plus years and then living the high life on £115 a week.
Of course most of those pensioners have paid in nowhere near enough to fund the benefits they will receive, but that's another story!