Petition open for citizens to vote for EU Passports

Petition open for citizens to vote for EU Passports

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Emanresu

311 posts

89 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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If you vote for brexit, expect brexit. No special exceptions for anyone.

I guess this is why may had called a general election. She knows we're screwed because of it and she's trying to get out of it.

I'm happy, I have Irish and British passport. You're all screwed

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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///ajd said:
FN2TypeR said:
JawKnee said:
fblm said:
///ajd said:
...a solution for UK citizens post brexit...
A solution for what?
A solution to losing the automatic right to free movement, freedom to work and vote in the largest political union on the planet.
I'm not interested in that so I won't be signing.
Its all too evident many brexiteers don't care about it at all.

Some do.

Its interesting to see how as well as not seeing the point themselves, many are very eager to deny that right to others.
It's my inward looking Brexiteer manner that does it, no doubt about it.

Still, I could always use my NZ passport instead of my British one if things go Pete Tong, right?

Unfettered travel in our world of nation states and borders is a privilege, not a right.

Edited by FN2TypeR on Sunday 23 April 18:58

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Emanresu said:
If you vote for brexit, expect brexit. No special exceptions for anyone.

I guess this is why may had called a general election. She knows we're screwed because of it and she's trying to get out of it.

I'm happy, I have Irish and British passport. You're all screwed
As far as working abroad are concerned, the only ones 'screwed' are those that have nothing to offer the other country they wish to work in.

Which doesn't seem that unreasonable.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Emanresu said:
If you vote for brexit, expect brexit. No special exceptions for anyone.

I guess this is why may had called a general election. She knows we're screwed because of it and she's trying to get out of it.

I'm happy, I have Irish and British passport. You're all screwed
Isn't the Irish economy linked quite closely to the British one? One cut and we all bleed and all that pish?

You're happy, but you also claim that your biggest trading partner is screwed, lol.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Craigyp79 said:
jsf said:
The EU is not a country.

In order to issue a passport, you have to be recognised as a country.
Nope, wrong.
Any examples?

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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FN2TypeR said:
Emanresu said:
If you vote for brexit, expect brexit. No special exceptions for anyone.

I guess this is why may had called a general election. She knows we're screwed because of it and she's trying to get out of it.

I'm happy, I have Irish and British passport. You're all screwed
Isn't the Irish economy linked quite closely to the British one? One cut and we all bleed and all that pish?

You're happy, but you also claim that your biggest trading partner is screwed, lol.
Not only that, the UK bailed Ireland out of the st when their economy went under.

They also get to use the UK road infrastructure to peddle their goods to the rest of the EU and will have to cross our borders both out of then back into the EU.

Without a UK that is on side, the Irish economy is sunk, if we end up with a poor deal and decide to slash corporation tax to below Irish levels, god help them. If the EU impose hard borders at Calais, their export costs just went up.

A bad deal for the UK is a disastrous deal for Ireland and they know it.

loafer123

15,429 posts

215 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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jsf said:
Not only that, the UK bailed Ireland out of the st when their economy went under.

They also get to use the UK road infrastructure to peddle their goods to the rest of the EU and will have to cross our borders both out of then back into the EU.

Without a UK that is on side, the Irish economy is sunk, if we end up with a poor deal and decide to slash corporation tax to below Irish levels, god help them. If the EU impose hard borders at Calais, their export costs just went up.

A bad deal for the UK is a disastrous deal for Ireland and they know it.
Quite.

As my daughter would say, "Savage!"

MikeyC

836 posts

227 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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jsf said:
JawKnee said:
A solution to losing the automatic right to free movement, freedom to work and vote in the largest political union on the planet.
India isn't in the EU.
India's a country - not a Union - last time I checked rolleyes

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Alternatively you could just purchase a visa when you want to travel? rotate

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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MikeyC said:
jsf said:
JawKnee said:
A solution to losing the automatic right to free movement, freedom to work and vote in the largest political union on the planet.
India isn't in the EU.
India's a country - not a Union - last time I checked rolleyes
India is a republic of states, just like the USA. Hence the official name is Republic of India. rolleyes

Craigyp79

589 posts

183 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Greg66 said:
Craigyp79 said:
jsf said:
The EU is not a country.

In order to issue a passport, you have to be recognised as a country.
Nope, wrong.
Any examples?
UN documents for starters, the EU also issues a Special Passport for MEP's that is valid for travel.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Craigyp79 said:
Greg66 said:
Craigyp79 said:
jsf said:
The EU is not a country.

In order to issue a passport, you have to be recognised as a country.
Nope, wrong.
Any examples?
UN documents for starters, the EU also issues a Special Passport for MEP's that is valid for travel.
Those are not passports. They are laissez-passer, which are travel documents.

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

137 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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jsf said:
Those are not passports. They are laissez-passer, which are travel documents.
Which if you could read and comprehend you would see referenced in the opening post of this thread

TEKNOPUG

18,943 posts

205 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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jsf said:
///ajd said:
FN2TypeR said:
JawKnee said:
fblm said:
///ajd said:
...a solution for UK citizens post brexit...
A solution for what?
A solution to losing the automatic right to free movement, freedom to work and vote in the largest political union on the planet.
I'm not interested in that so I won't be signing.
Its all too evident many brexiteers don't care about it at all.

Some do.

Its interesting to see how as well as not seeing the point themselves, many are very eager to deny that right to others.
It would be the EU who will be denying any non-EU citizen the right to work within the EU. It's not the UK who makes that decision.

Just as is the case now, where predominantly white Europeans have rights denied to predominantly non-white people from non-EU nations.

Where is your revolt against the racist policies of the EU?
They're just little Europeaners. They can't see outside of their 27 member White Christian club. They're scared of foreigners, that's why they deny them travel & workers rights and enforce trade tariffs on their goods, so as to protect their own failing industries from competition.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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citizensm1th said:
jsf said:
Those are not passports. They are laissez-passer, which are travel documents.
Which if you could read and comprehend you would see referenced in the opening post of this thread
And if you could read, the question asked concerned examples of passports issues by entities that were NOT countries.
HTH

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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citizensm1th said:
jsf said:
Those are not passports. They are laissez-passer, which are travel documents.
Which if you could read and comprehend you would see referenced in the opening post of this thread
What is the title of this thread?

///ajd

Original Poster:

8,964 posts

206 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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The link actually uses both terms including "EU passport".

What exactly are you arguing about? That is it impossible or you don't like the idea?

Guy V has talked about this, so it appears to be feasible in one form or another - and he specifically had people potentially affected by brexit in mind.

Some at the time got angry with Guy V for proposing it some months back - is everyone now relaxed about it?

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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A passport does more than just allowing you to pass through borders. It provides the holder the protection of the issuing state if required, that includes both political, legal and military arms of the issuing state as and when required.

If the EU wishes to use a laissez-passer for none EU members, I don't have a problem, that's their prerogative. It's not the same as issuing a passport though.

If the EU becomes a federal state, then you can talk about them issuing a passport.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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jsf said:
Craigyp79 said:
Greg66 said:
Craigyp79 said:
jsf said:
The EU is not a country.

In order to issue a passport, you have to be recognised as a country.
Nope, wrong.
Any examples?
UN documents for starters, the EU also issues a Special Passport for MEP's that is valid for travel.
Those are not passports. They are laissez-passer, which are travel documents.
Yeah, that.

So we've done the starters. What's the main course?

Eric Mc

121,958 posts

265 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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chow pan toon said:
I knew being half Irish would come in useful eventually.
I'm 100% Irish AND 100% British. smile