Man films himself killing baby daughter live on facebook
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The Internet has been a complete game changer in so many ways.
I am amazed that there has not been more discussion over the ethical relativity of Internet content.
I am fully aware how difficult a subject this is as any control of one's freedom to read,view or discuss any topic can be a slippery slope to state control.
However surely it is time now for this debate to be had.
We have managed to strike a reasonable balance in the past with press,magazine and media content,so surely it is not beyond us to do so with Internet content.
I am amazed that there has not been more discussion over the ethical relativity of Internet content.
I am fully aware how difficult a subject this is as any control of one's freedom to read,view or discuss any topic can be a slippery slope to state control.
However surely it is time now for this debate to be had.
We have managed to strike a reasonable balance in the past with press,magazine and media content,so surely it is not beyond us to do so with Internet content.
avinalarf said:
We have managed to strike a reasonable balance in the past with press,magazine and media content,so surely it is not beyond us to do so with Internet content.
Whilst your sentiment is laudable and logical you should remember that it has taken in the region of 500 years to reach this point with printed media and as you can tell from recent history even that is a mobile feast of what is one day acceptable and not the next.Now think of a media which evolves at the speed of the internet. Frankly it has to go one of two ways - Wild West with minimal control and lots of warnings about not putting your daughter on the stage, or total government control. I know which I prefer, but then I am quite comfortable with my ability to click away from s
t i don't need or want to see, and don't need nanny to tell me just how fecked up some people in this world are.Rude-boy said:
Whilst your sentiment is laudable and logical you should remember that it has taken in the region of 500 years to reach this point with printed media and as you can tell from recent history even that is a mobile feast of what is one day acceptable and not the next.
Now think of a media which evolves at the speed of the internet. Frankly it has to go one of two ways - Wild West with minimal control and lots of warnings about not putting your daughter on the stage, or total government control. I know which I prefer, but then I am quite comfortable with my ability to click away from st i don't need or want to see, and don't need nanny to tell me just how fecked up some people in this world are.
I am certainly no fan of the "nanny state".Now think of a media which evolves at the speed of the internet. Frankly it has to go one of two ways - Wild West with minimal control and lots of warnings about not putting your daughter on the stage, or total government control. I know which I prefer, but then I am quite comfortable with my ability to click away from s
t i don't need or want to see, and don't need nanny to tell me just how fecked up some people in this world are.However there is a need to debate the issues around the monitoring of Internet content.
It is not that I doubt the ability for sane rational adults to choose what they click on or search for.
However In this world of fast changing advances in the sciences and technology there has been relatively little public debate on the ethical questions raised on how these advances impact on society.
So is a completely "free" internet with depravity and fake news a click away,where is that going to take us ?
Ask oneself who is to gain most from the "freedom" of Internet content ?
Is it not the ever growing and insidiously powerful Internet behemoths of Google and Facebook and the purveyors of sexual depravity.
One big problem nowadays is the lack of responsibility for actions,both personal and corporate,and how those actions impact both at a personal or social level and how suitable legislation seldom seems to be in place to sanction questionable behaviour.
The ever growing tail is wagging the dog.
Some people on here make it sound like there is something wrong with FB or the viewers
Perhaps they could explain:
How are Facebook meant to predict the content of a livestream?
How are the viewers? Was this livestream planned and advertised in advance?
Why is there the assumption that the people viewing it wanted to see it? Its not a youtube video, it's live. Your actions can affect the outcome of what is happening. I imagine there were many people trying their best to stop this lunatic.
Perhaps they could explain:
How are Facebook meant to predict the content of a livestream?
How are the viewers? Was this livestream planned and advertised in advance?
Why is there the assumption that the people viewing it wanted to see it? Its not a youtube video, it's live. Your actions can affect the outcome of what is happening. I imagine there were many people trying their best to stop this lunatic.
Eric Mc said:
Are you worried that you can't control the urge to watch these things. If you can't, I would suggest you have a problem.
Human nature is to be inquisitive though - I don't think you can label that a problem...It's just what people do and have always done. It's no different to victorian freak shows, public executions etc etc. The only difference is that we can now see all these delights and more from the comfort of our smart phones.If someone is doing something live - such as what happened here, the outcome will be unpredictable. Certain types of people may find that exciting. And certainly, young viewers may not be really in a mature enough position to make a grown up adult decision as to whether this is something they should be watching.
It is a genuine dilemma regarding how such footage is monitored or controlled. The last thing I want is governments banning individuals from watching what they want to watch - but they can bring in regulations on the "hosters" of the video to have a requirement to react much more quickly than they do in taking such footage down - or even preventing it in the first place.
One of the problems is the global nature of the internet. The UK government can bring in as many laws as it likes governing internet host sites - but if the sites are based abroad, there is little they can do to exercise power over what they do and how they do it.
It is a genuine dilemma regarding how such footage is monitored or controlled. The last thing I want is governments banning individuals from watching what they want to watch - but they can bring in regulations on the "hosters" of the video to have a requirement to react much more quickly than they do in taking such footage down - or even preventing it in the first place.
One of the problems is the global nature of the internet. The UK government can bring in as many laws as it likes governing internet host sites - but if the sites are based abroad, there is little they can do to exercise power over what they do and how they do it.
Eric Mc said:
If someone is doing something live - such as what happened here, the outcome will be unpredictable. Certain types of people may find that exciting. And certainly, young viewers may not be really in a mature enough position to make a grown up adult decision as to whether this is something they should be watching.
It is a genuine dilemma regarding how such footage is monitored or controlled. The last thing I want is governments banning individuals from watching what they want to watch - but they can bring in regulations on the "hosters" of the video to have a requirement to react much more quickly than they do in taking such footage down - or even preventing it in the first place.
One of the problems is the global nature of the internet. The UK government can bring in as many laws as it likes governing internet host sites - but if the sites are based abroad, there is little they can do to exercise power over what they do and how they do it.
The global nature of the Internet certainly presents difficulties in monitoring and /or "controlling" content,certainly when that content is live not so much for static content.It is a genuine dilemma regarding how such footage is monitored or controlled. The last thing I want is governments banning individuals from watching what they want to watch - but they can bring in regulations on the "hosters" of the video to have a requirement to react much more quickly than they do in taking such footage down - or even preventing it in the first place.
One of the problems is the global nature of the internet. The UK government can bring in as many laws as it likes governing internet host sites - but if the sites are based abroad, there is little they can do to exercise power over what they do and how they do it.
However legislation cannot and has never been absolute in worldwide terms.
We can only expect our government to debate and pass suitable and appropriate legislation for their citizens.
What concerns me is the apparent lack of control we have over Google and Facebook etc.
It is quite possible for these internet platforms to become controlled by forces that are far from benign.
We are now living in a World where large corporations wield great power and governments become the puppets.
HappyMidget said:
Had to leave an FB group just yesterday as someone was live streaming a dog fking a girl. The livestream thumbnail was very explicit and I could have come a cropper if that had come up on my work monitor not my mobile! Reported the vid to FB, but the user had already deleted it.
Vauxhall owners club group?king a girl. The livestream thumbnail was very explicit and I could have come a cropper if that had come up on my work monitor not my mobile! Reported the vid to FB, but the user had already deleted it.PH XKR said:
HappyMidget said:
Had to leave an FB group just yesterday as someone was live streaming a dog fking a girl. The livestream thumbnail was very explicit and I could have come a cropper if that had come up on my work monitor not my mobile! Reported the vid to FB, but the user had already deleted it.
Vauxhall owners club group?king a girl. The livestream thumbnail was very explicit and I could have come a cropper if that had come up on my work monitor not my mobile! Reported the vid to FB, but the user had already deleted it.The problem for me is if you allow something 'live' then without any equivalent live direct supervision then you are going to have these issues. The content hosts absolutely should be held responsible for quickly removing it when violations are flagged, but it's unrealistic to expect them to be able to monitor every feed in just in case. You can mask it, tone it down with editorial judgment (such as we do in the print / tv media), but only after the fact.
You have to look at these services as windows. You don't blame the window maker when you see something you don't like out of it. You can draw the curtains (don't look), brick it up (ban the services) if you like, but it won't change the basic fact of what is going on outside. Unfortunately we now have so many windows that we are forced to confront the reality that humanity is pretty grim sometimes. Hiding that away doesn't seem to have helped and if this type of media forces us to confront these issues, as awful as they can be, then ultimately it may do some good.
I do wonder though if there is an effect of now that some people have access to a wider audience via social media it forces them to try and become more extreme in their behaviour for attention? Probably not in this case, but for example with the craze of stupid selfies in dangerous situations.
You have to look at these services as windows. You don't blame the window maker when you see something you don't like out of it. You can draw the curtains (don't look), brick it up (ban the services) if you like, but it won't change the basic fact of what is going on outside. Unfortunately we now have so many windows that we are forced to confront the reality that humanity is pretty grim sometimes. Hiding that away doesn't seem to have helped and if this type of media forces us to confront these issues, as awful as they can be, then ultimately it may do some good.
I do wonder though if there is an effect of now that some people have access to a wider audience via social media it forces them to try and become more extreme in their behaviour for attention? Probably not in this case, but for example with the craze of stupid selfies in dangerous situations.
The social media audience is probably quite small.
The media coverage is the thing that amplifies it IMO.
I'm going to guess that a 99.9% of those who have watched this or the video of the chap who shot a stranger didn't watch it live they did so after the media coverage.
I also don't agree with those who thing it's normal to seek this kind of thing out, though I guess that depends on your definition of normal.
The media coverage is the thing that amplifies it IMO.
I'm going to guess that a 99.9% of those who have watched this or the video of the chap who shot a stranger didn't watch it live they did so after the media coverage.
I also don't agree with those who thing it's normal to seek this kind of thing out, though I guess that depends on your definition of normal.
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