Boris Johnson - Secret Weapon OR Achilles Heel?

Boris Johnson - Secret Weapon OR Achilles Heel?

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turbobloke

103,946 posts

260 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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deadslow said:
sidicks said:
Tankrizzo said:
What's this obsession with where people went to school 30 years ago?
Something to do with chips and shoulders, I suspect.
more to do with entitlement and contempt, I suspect.
Entitlement to a chip and contempt for reasoned debate preferring anachronistic class warfare, that would fit the bill!

Goaty Bill 2

3,407 posts

119 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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anonymous said:
[redacted]
Indeed so.

His buffoonery charms the proletariat.
His wild social engineering via civil engineering schemes impressed a certain type, when that type was his principal target audience.
Under it all is a keen mind focused on a single goal...

It is not for me to say upon who he models himself, but suffice to say, he is known to be quite fond of a large cigar and long walks in the Oxfordshire countryside when not in the public eye.


Wobbegong

15,077 posts

169 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Tankrizzo said:
What's this obsession with where people went to school 30 years ago?
Some bizarre inverse snobbery. There seems to be a dislike of those who want to better the lives of their family.

Eddie Strohacker

3,879 posts

86 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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AnotherClarkey said:
How many of us get to choose where we go to school? Discriminating against people about things over which they have no control is wrong isn't it? Yet it seems acceptable to use this as a personal slight.
One could argue that the salient personal slight here is a serving foreign secretary deploying a personal insult against the leader of Her Majesty's opposition.

No matter. On the school issue, quite right - a child has little say on where they are sent. The outcome of those decisions however is demonstrably a serious discrimination against those who weren't fortunate enough to have benefited from the enormous discrete advantages of landing a place at one of those schools & especially that one. 19 out of 54 to date.

We do not live in a meritocracy, few people in the world do and that is a shame.



Smollet

10,563 posts

190 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Wobbegong said:
Tankrizzo said:
What's this obsession with where people went to school 30 years ago?
Some bizarre inverse snobbery. There seems to be a dislike of those who want to better the lives of their family.
It's akin to a decent car getting keyed by someone who'll never own it.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Eddie Strohacker said:
One could argue that the salient personal slight here is a serving foreign secretary deploying a personal insult against the leader of Her Majesty's opposition.

No matter. On the school issue, quite right - a child has little say on where they are sent. The outcome of those decisions however is demonstrably a serious discrimination against those who weren't fortunate enough to have benefited from the enormous discrete advantages of landing a place at one of those schools & especially that one. 19 out of 54 to date.

We do not live in a meritocracy, few people in the world do and that is a shame.
The whole Labour ethos appears to be about pulling people down to the lowest common denominator, not providing the opportunity for people to pull themselves up. The Labour approach to grammar schools is a perfect demonstration of that.

Edited by sidicks on Thursday 27th April 09:45

menousername

2,108 posts

142 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Goaty Bill 2 said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Indeed so.

His buffoonery charms the proletariat.
His wild social engineering via civil engineering schemes impressed a certain type, when that type was his principal target audience.
Under it all is a keen mind focused on a single goal...

It is not for me to say upon who he models himself, but suffice to say, he is known to be quite fond of a large cigar and long walks in the Oxfordshire countryside when not in the public eye.
Think thats all been exposed now though - does he have any credibility left even as a cunning politician who hides his ambition under a thin veil of foolery

Are their any feasible routes left for his ambition. Without that and without the veil all that is left is the foolery


Randy Winkman

16,132 posts

189 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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AnotherClarkey said:
How many of us get to choose where we go to school? Discriminating against people about things over which they have no control is wrong isn't it? Yet it seems acceptable to use this as a personal slight.
Do we all ignore it if people are badly parented and poorly educated? Surely that's mostly no fault of their own?

avinalarf

6,438 posts

142 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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I am losing confidence in Boris.
His buffoonery is not what I want to see or hear from a person in High Office.
The next years will be a hard slog,what with Brexit and the many other problems of foreign policy,terrorism etc.
I prefer to see some gravitas and however academically bright and clever Boris is,for me it's not translating into a man I can trust to lead us forward.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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avinalarf said:
I am losing confidence in Boris.
His buffoonery is not what I want to see or hear from a person in High Office.
The next years will be a hard slog,what with Brexit and the many other problems of foreign policy,terrorism etc.
I prefer to see some gravitas and however academically bright and clever Boris is,for me it's not translating into a man I can trust to lead us forward.
Fair comment.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Tankrizzo said:
What's this obsession with where people went to school 30 years ago?
quite right, I'm sure any half-decent school has a similar proportion of current and former cabinet members and PMs...

those poor Old Etonians are being discriminated against, I've heard it all now

Eddie Strohacker

3,879 posts

86 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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sidicks said:
The whole Labour ethos appears to be about pulling people down to the lowest common denominator, not providing the opportunity for people to pull themselves up. The Labour approach to grammar schools is a perfect demonstration of that.

Edited by sidicks on Thursday 27th April 09:45
I didn't mention labour. coffee

London424

12,829 posts

175 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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sidicks said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
One could argue that the salient personal slight here is a serving foreign secretary deploying a personal insult against the leader of Her Majesty's opposition.

No matter. On the school issue, quite right - a child has little say on where they are sent. The outcome of those decisions however is demonstrably a serious discrimination against those who weren't fortunate enough to have benefited from the enormous discrete advantages of landing a place at one of those schools & especially that one. 19 out of 54 to date.

We do not live in a meritocracy, few people in the world do and that is a shame.
The whole Labour ethos appears to be about pulling people down to the lowest common denominator, not providing the opportunity for people to pull themselves up. The Labour approach to grammar schools is a perfect demonstration of that.

Edited by sidicks on Thursday 27th April 09:45
But don't forget, while sending their own kids to those schools that they enjoy slagging off.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Eddie Strohacker said:
I didn't mention labour. coffee
I never said you did.

turbobloke

103,946 posts

260 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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London424 said:
sidicks said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
One could argue that the salient personal slight here is a serving foreign secretary deploying a personal insult against the leader of Her Majesty's opposition.

No matter. On the school issue, quite right - a child has little say on where they are sent. The outcome of those decisions however is demonstrably a serious discrimination against those who weren't fortunate enough to have benefited from the enormous discrete advantages of landing a place at one of those schools & especially that one. 19 out of 54 to date.

We do not live in a meritocracy, few people in the world do and that is a shame.
The whole Labour ethos appears to be about pulling people down to the lowest common denominator, not providing the opportunity for people to pull themselves up. The Labour approach to grammar schools is a perfect demonstration of that.

Edited by sidicks on Thursday 27th April 09:45
But don't forget, while sending their own kids to those schools that they enjoy slagging off.
yes

No less than you would expect from the hypocritical Left, as per Benn and tax avoidance.

Goaty Bill 2

3,407 posts

119 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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menousername said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Indeed so.

His buffoonery charms the proletariat.
His wild social engineering via civil engineering schemes impressed a certain type, when that type was his principal target audience.
Under it all is a keen mind focused on a single goal...

It is not for me to say upon who he models himself, but suffice to say, he is known to be quite fond of a large cigar and long walks in the Oxfordshire countryside when not in the public eye.
Think thats all been exposed now though - does he have any credibility left even as a cunning politician who hides his ambition under a thin veil of foolery

Are their any feasible routes left for his ambition. Without that and without the veil all that is left is the foolery
Exposed to... people who reason.
We only have to look at the common motivations so often given by people on both sides of the Brexit vote, to see how little the average person actually reasons, never mind actually knows.


Goaty Bill 2

3,407 posts

119 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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turbobloke said:
London424 said:
sidicks said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
One could argue that the salient personal slight here is a serving foreign secretary deploying a personal insult against the leader of Her Majesty's opposition.

No matter. On the school issue, quite right - a child has little say on where they are sent. The outcome of those decisions however is demonstrably a serious discrimination against those who weren't fortunate enough to have benefited from the enormous discrete advantages of landing a place at one of those schools & especially that one. 19 out of 54 to date.

We do not live in a meritocracy, few people in the world do and that is a shame.
The whole Labour ethos appears to be about pulling people down to the lowest common denominator, not providing the opportunity for people to pull themselves up. The Labour approach to grammar schools is a perfect demonstration of that.

Edited by sidicks on Thursday 27th April 09:45
But don't forget, while sending their own kids to those schools that they enjoy slagging off.
yes

No less than you would expect from the hypocritical Left, as per Benn and tax avoidance.
All animals are equal.
But some animals are more equal than others.


Hayek

8,969 posts

208 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Sheets Tabuer said:
Without wanting to go in to any brexit bias I think anyone that campaigns so hard for something and then does a runner deserves a poke in the eye.

Used to like him, now I think he's a prick.
I'm no big fan of his but the referendum campaign was not an induction process to become PM.

iphonedyou

9,253 posts

157 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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footnote said:
while he wobbled on his chair like an Etonite Jabba the Hut.
Where does Eton factor in?

Odd.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

137 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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menousername said:
Think thats all been exposed now though - does he have any credibility left even as a cunning politician who hides his ambition under a thin veil of foolery

Are their any feasible routes left for his ambition. Without that and without the veil all that is left is the foolery
I believe he hides his foolishness by pretending to be a cunning politician.