Will Trump ever get fair treatment?
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scherzkeks said:
Fair target, IMO. One of the 4-5 massively triggered folks on here who regularly engage in personal attacks (and rarely post content related to the subject at hand) and are never dealt with. I suspect they know they won't be either.
Is that because there's another conspiracy afoot? Funkycoldribena said:
oop north said:
So you think that Trump is some kind of hero because he has lots of money? And anyone with less is less of a person? I think I disagree with that rather strongly
Far from it.But calling him a financial idiot is ridiculous, as said a page back.
Possibly. He strikes me as the sort of guy who knows people.
I think I'm going to leave this thread for the people who've been banned from the main Trump thread to play in. It'll be comforting to know that they won't be getting in trouble playing together here in their safe place sand pit.
I think I'm going to leave this thread for the people who've been banned from the main Trump thread to play in. It'll be comforting to know that they won't be getting in trouble playing together here in their safe place sand pit.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 1st May 09:46
Nanook said:
Personally, no, I haven't.
But then, Daddy didn't give me a £1m dollar loan and a seat on the board at his company. I haven't bankrupted 6 companies to avoid paying my debt.
I've never said this:
"I do play with the bankruptcy laws – they're very good for me" as a tool for trimming debt"
Or this:
"I've used the laws of this country to pare debt ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal. You know, it's like on The Apprentice. It's not personal. It's just business."
Trump openly admits he rips people off and his supporters admire him for it. I changed my mind. he's not the one who's thick.But then, Daddy didn't give me a £1m dollar loan and a seat on the board at his company. I haven't bankrupted 6 companies to avoid paying my debt.
I've never said this:
"I do play with the bankruptcy laws – they're very good for me" as a tool for trimming debt"
Or this:
"I've used the laws of this country to pare debt ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal. You know, it's like on The Apprentice. It's not personal. It's just business."
The back slapping and bandwagoning over hating trump has become boring, it's nice to see people's superiority when they all group together and talk absolute s
t, i'm hardly a trump fan, but having seen the outcry from people who are exactly what C.S. Lewis describe as "Moral busybodies" it's boring now, the man will last 4 years if crap and 8 years at most.
t, i'm hardly a trump fan, but having seen the outcry from people who are exactly what C.S. Lewis describe as "Moral busybodies" it's boring now, the man will last 4 years if crap and 8 years at most.MrBrightSi said:
The back slapping and bandwagoning over hating trump has become boring, it's nice to see people's superiority when they all group together and talk absolute st, i'm hardly a trump fan, but having seen the outcry from people who are exactly what C.S. Lewis describe as "Moral busybodies" it's boring now, the man will last 4 years if crap and 8 years at most.
The self-appointed moral supremacy, and vitriol for anything which doesnt conform to the script, the left have for [insert stooge of choice here], while shouting down any reasoned arguement, can give any evangelical christian, racist supremacist, etc a run for their money.t, i'm hardly a trump fan, but having seen the outcry from people who are exactly what C.S. Lewis describe as "Moral busybodies" it's boring now, the man will last 4 years if crap and 8 years at most.Which is sad, after many hundreds of years of social, cultural and political development, hundreds of years of scientific and industrial evolution, in the information age can inform ourselves and make political decisions based on sience, fact and intelligence. And no sooner do we have separation of church and state then the lefties have basically succumbed to the same "my clan is right and holy and thats that" dogma and nonsense we could have being ruled by the catholic church or under sharia law.
Was there any point?
Funkycoldribena said:
MrBrightSi said:
The back slapping and bandwagoning over hating trump has become boring, it's nice to see people's superiority when they all group together and talk absolute st, i'm hardly a trump fan, but having seen the outcry from people who are exactly what C.S. Lewis describe as "Moral busybodies" it's boring now, the man will last 4 years if crap and 8 years at most.
Let them carry on,not working too well for them so far.t, i'm hardly a trump fan, but having seen the outcry from people who are exactly what C.S. Lewis describe as "Moral busybodies" it's boring now, the man will last 4 years if crap and 8 years at most.Some people never learn.
As I mentioned earlier, the parallels between the NeverTrumpers and the Bush Jr.-era Freedom Fries crowd are startling.
WitnessProtection said:
scherzkeks said:
This happens all the time. Some of the most egregious MSM nonsense in my lifetime started during the Bush era. Be happy you never had to experience the Freedom Fries crowd -- almost as bad as the NeverTrumpers.
Trump himself is a somewhat easy target, but the level of dishonesty is staggering. The propaganda is on another level. Hitler, Russia Truth, etc. Endless retractions for outright phony or purposefully misleading news. NYT editorial, MLK bust story, the story about the disabled reporter, Patriots photo scandal, inaug. photo scandal, Sarin story, etc. Even the recent story about Ivanka being booed (which German news corrected for US outlets)-- such petty nonsense.
The problem we are running into is that we need quality reporting, but the MSM structure is paid for, with the exception of a few reporters (most of whom left WP, NYT, BBC, etc.).
The reaction from the press after the missiles were launched into Syria said it all. Bought and paid for.
Without wishing to get drawn deeper into this thread, I wondered if you were familiar with the Attack Ads podcast or the work of people such as Neil Kramer? The latter comes more from an esoteric school of thought, but there's a lot about control structures and conditioning that overlaps with media output, dark money and suchlike. The former has some very interesting deep dives into things like cultural capture and the money and interests that drive the narrative.Trump himself is a somewhat easy target, but the level of dishonesty is staggering. The propaganda is on another level. Hitler, Russia Truth, etc. Endless retractions for outright phony or purposefully misleading news. NYT editorial, MLK bust story, the story about the disabled reporter, Patriots photo scandal, inaug. photo scandal, Sarin story, etc. Even the recent story about Ivanka being booed (which German news corrected for US outlets)-- such petty nonsense.
The problem we are running into is that we need quality reporting, but the MSM structure is paid for, with the exception of a few reporters (most of whom left WP, NYT, BBC, etc.).
The reaction from the press after the missiles were launched into Syria said it all. Bought and paid for.
Edited by scherzkeks on Sunday 30th April 21:45
I sense we'd disagree about plenty, but the above struck me as something you'd probably appreciate, so it's offered in that spirit.
People I like and read are Morris Berman, Glenn Greenwald, Greg Palast, Chris Hedges, and others. Propaganda and systems of control are common themes in their work.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/trump-north-kore...
So he's sort of offering a hand to PDRK. It's not a guarantee. It's not capitulation to their demands. It's not even that likely. But it's a case of "if we could have a meeting, I would"
It's by far more than any previous administrations have done in terms of trying to build sensible relations. But as ever, the msm bash him for that as well.
If Obama had done this, CNN et al would be praising him for "reaching out"
So he's sort of offering a hand to PDRK. It's not a guarantee. It's not capitulation to their demands. It's not even that likely. But it's a case of "if we could have a meeting, I would"
It's by far more than any previous administrations have done in terms of trying to build sensible relations. But as ever, the msm bash him for that as well.
If Obama had done this, CNN et al would be praising him for "reaching out"
Rich_W said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/trump-north-kore...
So he's sort of offering a hand to PDRK. It's not a guarantee. It's not capitulation to their demands. It's not even that likely. But it's a case of "if we could have a meeting, I would"
It's by far more than any previous administrations have done in terms of trying to build sensible relations. But as ever, the msm bash him for that as well.
If Obama had done this, CNN et al would be praising him for "reaching out"
It doesn't alarm you that he's "reaching out" and praising the world's dictators - Kim, Duterte, Putin, Erdogan, while simultaneously undermining and insulting the democracies of the UK, Canada, Germany, not to mention NATO and the free press?So he's sort of offering a hand to PDRK. It's not a guarantee. It's not capitulation to their demands. It's not even that likely. But it's a case of "if we could have a meeting, I would"
It's by far more than any previous administrations have done in terms of trying to build sensible relations. But as ever, the msm bash him for that as well.
If Obama had done this, CNN et al would be praising him for "reaching out"
You also seem to be implying it was a considered statement, rather than one of many excerpts from the utterly incoherent interviews he gave yesterday. The full transcripts are just extraordinary. He doesn't appear to understand anything about the role he's in and the damage he can do.
Funkycoldribena said:
Maybe you'd be happier if he called war on all of them?
What's he said about UK democracy?
Indeed.What's he said about UK democracy?
He's got a style all his own. But I don't see that him wanting to have a dialogue with these "wronguns" is a bad thing. And I'm not surprised he uses the praise for these people to try and get them on board. It's just good business sense to play to their ego, soften them a bit.
Works better than threats if you want a resolution. Imagine if he brought N Korea in from the cold? The vocal libs would complain he was doing deals with our enemies
There seems to be thousands of f
kwits out there who claim he says all these things, but cant provide proof. Common ones are he hates the LGBT community (his PR guy is gay so unlikely) He hates women (quite a few women on his boards. I don't buy the comments that were recorded years back as anything more sinister than guys talking st with other guys. ) And he is taking away rights from Black and minorities. Cant see anything to support that eitherApparently as well despite all his dialogue according to the left he's a warmonger. But when he DID (imo wrongly) attack Syria that's fine
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Russia Truth back in the news. She'd have won if it weren't for those Russian agents at Wikileaks.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-02/hillary-c...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-02/hillary-c...
WitnessProtection said:
Attack Ads is well worth a listen IMO. As the name suggests, the focus is generally on how advertising (i.e. corporations) drives the narrative, but more recently that has broadened into areas such as charitable foundations, trusts, endowments and the like. As for Kramer, he addresses control systems, but from a far more esoteric perspective. That might sound off-putting, but it's led me to areas and authors I'd never have found through more mainstream channels, and it's definitely helped reshape my world view in a number of ways.
Will take a look. 
scherzkeks said:
Russia Truth back in the news. She'd have won if it weren't for those Russian agents at Wikileaks.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-02/hillary-c...
So do you think Wikileaks had no impact on her votes?http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-02/hillary-c...
Zerohedge is going to be screwed if they start censoring bulls
t websites btw.....Countdown said:
scherzkeks said:
Russia Truth back in the news. She'd have won if it weren't for those Russian agents at Wikileaks.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-02/hillary-c...
So do you think Wikileaks had no impact on her votes?http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-02/hillary-c...
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