Will Trump ever get fair treatment?
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I could never ever imagine having a pint with the man or playing a round of Golf but to constantly call him thick is wrong unless the people sitting behind their Computers are Bill Gates or Steven Hawkins. Criticising him for not solving the Worlds problems in 100 days is also just a bit weird.
s2art said:
I dont think the USA had lost the Vietnam war by 1968. In reality it had just got going properly as far as the USA was concerned.
The writing was on the wall. The Tet Offensive, although very costly for the Viet Cong, really rocked the US commitment to the war. It was from that point on that it dawned on many Americans that it would be unwinnable. It is often cited as the seminal moment in the war for America.Indeed, President Johnson was so concerned at the way it was going as early as 1967 that he decided not to stand for re-election in the 1968 campaign. Johnson was a very astute politician and could see how things were going to end up.
johnxjsc1985 said:
I could never ever imagine having a pint with the man or playing a round of Golf but to constantly call him thick is wrong unless the people sitting behind their Computers are Bill Gates or Steven Hawkins. Criticising him for not solving the Worlds problems in 100 days is also just a bit weird.
I don't think anyone with a brain expected Trump to "solve the world's problems" in 100 days. In fact, the only person who was making outlandish claims as to what was achievable within the first 100 days was Trump himself. So - by your own definition, he is a fool.As I keep saying, it's his own utterances that make him look like a deluded idiot.
Funkycoldribena said:
Eric Mc said:
Really?
He struggles to put a coherent sentence together. His tweets look like they were produced by a kid suffering from dyslexia.
By what measure do you reckon he ISN'T sub-intelligent?
Have you ever made billions?He struggles to put a coherent sentence together. His tweets look like they were produced by a kid suffering from dyslexia.
By what measure do you reckon he ISN'T sub-intelligent?
It's debatable whether anything he has ever instigated any business venture that has REALLY money. He appears to be constantly in massive debt - and he probably still is at this very moment. Indeed, concerns about his personal debts are at the heart of whether he is suitable or capable of being President - and is one of the reasons why he has reneged on his promise to disclose his tax return details.
So don't try to use his so called business acumen as an example of his intelligence. His record so far seems to prove the opposite.
Funkycoldribena said:
Eric Mc said:
No - but I haven't gone bankrupt over 10 times either
It's debatable whether anything he has ever instigated any business venture that has REALLY money. He appears to be constantly in massive debt - and he probably still is at this very moment. Indeed, concerns about his personal debts are at the heart of whether he is suitable or capable of being President - and is one of the reasons why he has reneged on his promise to disclose his tax return details.
So don't try to use his so called business acumen as an example of his intelligence. His record so far seems to prove the opposite.
Sorry,I forgot that you were posting from McCloughlin towers with your model wife by your side after creating several thousand jobs and becoming the leader of the most powerful nation.It's debatable whether anything he has ever instigated any business venture that has REALLY money. He appears to be constantly in massive debt - and he probably still is at this very moment. Indeed, concerns about his personal debts are at the heart of whether he is suitable or capable of being President - and is one of the reasons why he has reneged on his promise to disclose his tax return details.
So don't try to use his so called business acumen as an example of his intelligence. His record so far seems to prove the opposite.
My apologies,the guys an idiot who should aspire to own a caterham and be pictured with Butler Henderson.
That's success in a different league.
rscott said:
I'm sure the non lefty elements of the media would have loved to publish an article listing all the elements of his 100 day contract he's managed to achieve. I guess they're still trying to find some...
Well give it time I would say. 100 days in politics is not a lot of time to get a whole raft of policies through due process.Edited by rscott on Sunday 30th April 11:58
We have to remember that a huge amount of people in the US voted for him based on his policies. It would seem the lefty media have attempted time and time again to convey the message that they were wrong to do so. This to me seems to be missing the point of democracy.
Also bear in mind that Obama and numerous other presidents before him have well and truly missed enacting policies that they wanted to implement.
And I guess the main point of due process is to not create a dictatorship from democracy, so even when a president says they want x,y and z, congress with scrutiny from democrat and republican will have the power to legislate.
Funkycoldribena said:
No it wasn't, it was in the same vein as the Aintree thread, its very easy to slag off the 'thick munters' but when asked to post a pic of yourself/the Mrs ,things go quiet.
The man certainly isn't a financial idiot when he's probably better off than all the posters on this site put together.
Well, he inherited 17,000 NYC apartments. Hard to be struggling too much after that. I don't think his wealth is of too much importance though, it is the comical incompetence of his administration that is really the issue.The man certainly isn't a financial idiot when he's probably better off than all the posters on this site put together.
So said:
Countdown said:
The beeb are reporting what Trump says and does. The fact that he does and says stupid things which make him look stupid isn't the fault of the Beeb. the fact that he lies, and the beeb then reports what he said, doesn't make the Beeb unfair or impartial.
There are ways of doing things, and the BBC yesterday decided to run a hugely unbalanced piece which was so clearly biased it reflected worse upon them than Trump. My OP was questioning whether news agencies should try to be more neutral; something that many of them seem to be struggling with. Forget for a moment whether you like or dislike Trump and what his successes and failures have been, it's about the tone of reporting by the news agencies.Trump himself is a somewhat easy target, but the level of dishonesty is staggering. The propaganda is on another level. Hitler, Russia Truth, etc. Endless retractions for outright phony or purposefully misleading news. NYT editorial, MLK bust story, the story about the disabled reporter, Patriots photo scandal, inaug. photo scandal, Sarin story, etc. Even the recent story about Ivanka being booed (which German news corrected for US outlets)-- such petty nonsense.
The problem we are running into is that we need quality reporting, but the MSM structure is paid for, with the exception of a few reporters (most of whom left WP, NYT, BBC, etc.).
The reaction from the press after the missiles were launched into Syria said it all. Bought and paid for.
Edited by scherzkeks on Sunday 30th April 21:45
paulguitar said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Eric Mc said:
No - but I haven't gone bankrupt over 10 times either
It's debatable whether anything he has ever instigated any business venture that has REALLY money. He appears to be constantly in massive debt - and he probably still is at this very moment. Indeed, concerns about his personal debts are at the heart of whether he is suitable or capable of being President - and is one of the reasons why he has reneged on his promise to disclose his tax return details.
So don't try to use his so called business acumen as an example of his intelligence. His record so far seems to prove the opposite.
Sorry,I forgot that you were posting from McCloughlin towers with your model wife by your side after creating several thousand jobs and becoming the leader of the most powerful nation.It's debatable whether anything he has ever instigated any business venture that has REALLY money. He appears to be constantly in massive debt - and he probably still is at this very moment. Indeed, concerns about his personal debts are at the heart of whether he is suitable or capable of being President - and is one of the reasons why he has reneged on his promise to disclose his tax return details.
So don't try to use his so called business acumen as an example of his intelligence. His record so far seems to prove the opposite.
My apologies,the guys an idiot who should aspire to own a caterham and be pictured with Butler Henderson.
That's success in a different league.
When a poster stoops to those levels, they can safely be ignored for the ignoramus they obviously are.
paulguitar said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Eric Mc said:
No - but I haven't gone bankrupt over 10 times either
It's debatable whether anything he has ever instigated any business venture that has REALLY money. He appears to be constantly in massive debt - and he probably still is at this very moment. Indeed, concerns about his personal debts are at the heart of whether he is suitable or capable of being President - and is one of the reasons why he has reneged on his promise to disclose his tax return details.
So don't try to use his so called business acumen as an example of his intelligence. His record so far seems to prove the opposite.
Sorry,I forgot that you were posting from McCloughlin towers with your model wife by your side after creating several thousand jobs and becoming the leader of the most powerful nation.It's debatable whether anything he has ever instigated any business venture that has REALLY money. He appears to be constantly in massive debt - and he probably still is at this very moment. Indeed, concerns about his personal debts are at the heart of whether he is suitable or capable of being President - and is one of the reasons why he has reneged on his promise to disclose his tax return details.
So don't try to use his so called business acumen as an example of his intelligence. His record so far seems to prove the opposite.
My apologies,the guys an idiot who should aspire to own a caterham and be pictured with Butler Henderson.
That's success in a different league.
Can you speak normal English please? Then I might be able to respond to whatever point you are attempting (and failing miserably) to make.
Trying to discuss matters sensibly with Trump supporters is a real uphill struggle,. They do tend to have problems expressing themselves in any sort of coherent manner (much like the person they so admire).
Anyway, I'll let Scherzkeks have another try. You never know, some day, something he says might make some sense.
Trying to discuss matters sensibly with Trump supporters is a real uphill struggle,. They do tend to have problems expressing themselves in any sort of coherent manner (much like the person they so admire).
Anyway, I'll let Scherzkeks have another try. You never know, some day, something he says might make some sense.
Funkycoldribena said:
Over pages and pages its the same thing,orange,small hands,hair,dyslexic, bellend,etc etc.
Put his finances into perspective comparitively towards the person denegrating and its 'I'm not answering,I'm in a huff.
Anyway that Clooney bloke,ugly bugger...
So you think that Trump is some kind of hero because he has lots of money? And anyone with less is less of a person? I think I disagree with that rather stronglyPut his finances into perspective comparitively towards the person denegrating and its 'I'm not answering,I'm in a huff.
Anyway that Clooney bloke,ugly bugger...
Funkycoldribena said:
oop north said:
So you think that Trump is some kind of hero because he has lots of money? And anyone with less is less of a person? I think I disagree with that rather strongly
Far from it.But calling him a financial idiot is ridiculous, as said a page back.
Given that if Trump had kept the property portfolio he'd inherited, sat on his stumpy little hands and remained a slumlord [rather than selling most of it and gaming the proceeds, which has seen tens of TrumpCo iterations go bankrupt , as already mentioned] - he'd be worth rather more than twice as much as even he claims... he's certainly close to an idiot.
- And that's not my reckoning, but one long widely analysed, aired & published.
- And that's not my reckoning, but one long widely analysed, aired & published.
Edited by Huff on Sunday 30th April 23:20
Atomic12C said:
rscott said:
I'm sure the non lefty elements of the media would have loved to publish an article listing all the elements of his 100 day contract he's managed to achieve. I guess they're still trying to find some...
Well give it time I would say. 100 days in politics is not a lot of time to get a whole raft of policies through due process.Edited by rscott on Sunday 30th April 11:58
We have to remember that a huge amount of people in the US voted for him based on his policies. It would seem the lefty media have attempted time and time again to convey the message that they were wrong to do so. This to me seems to be missing the point of democracy.
Also bear in mind that Obama and numerous other presidents before him have well and truly missed enacting policies that they wanted to implement.
And I guess the main point of due process is to not create a dictatorship from democracy, so even when a president says they want x,y and z, congress with scrutiny from democrat and republican will have the power to legislate.
It's pretty straightforward really - if he didn't want to be judged on his 100 day performance, he shouldn't have set out such a definitive list of targets.
Funkycoldribena said:
scherzkeks said:
paulguitar said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Eric Mc said:
No - but I haven't gone bankrupt over 10 times either
It's debatable whether anything he has ever instigated any business venture that has REALLY money. He appears to be constantly in massive debt - and he probably still is at this very moment. Indeed, concerns about his personal debts are at the heart of whether he is suitable or capable of being President - and is one of the reasons why he has reneged on his promise to disclose his tax return details.
So don't try to use his so called business acumen as an example of his intelligence. His record so far seems to prove the opposite.
Sorry,I forgot that you were posting from McCloughlin towers with your model wife by your side after creating several thousand jobs and becoming the leader of the most powerful nation.It's debatable whether anything he has ever instigated any business venture that has REALLY money. He appears to be constantly in massive debt - and he probably still is at this very moment. Indeed, concerns about his personal debts are at the heart of whether he is suitable or capable of being President - and is one of the reasons why he has reneged on his promise to disclose his tax return details.
So don't try to use his so called business acumen as an example of his intelligence. His record so far seems to prove the opposite.
My apologies,the guys an idiot who should aspire to own a caterham and be pictured with Butler Henderson.
That's success in a different league.
Put his finances into perspective comparitively towards the person denegrating and its 'I'm not answering,I'm in a huff.
Anyway that Clooney bloke,ugly bugger...
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