Tory MP Andrew Turner says homosexuality is 'wrong'

[Einion Yrth]

Derek Smith said:

What on earth does 'wrong' mean in this context? It is not against the law, so that's out. If it's a nasty thing in his religion then say so.

Come to that, 'dangerous to society' needs some explanation as well. If he is suggesting that society will explode, implode, dissolve or become more left wing, then he needs to explain why it hasn't happened over the last few thousand years.

Well homosexuality has been either illegal or persecuted for large periods of that time, and while I think he's talking bks, I suspect that it is the easy acceptance of it that he views as damaging to society.

[romeogolf]

Tom Logan said:

I personally think it's disgusting to stick your nudger up another chap's blurter (or vice versa) but I would not berate anyone of that ilk.

Don't mind lesbians though.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.



edited for clarity

Edited by Tom Logan on Friday 28th April 21:08

Do you know what's really irritating? For my entire being to be reduced to a sex act. I'm a gay man, but there's a lot more to my life than anal sex. Not to mention the fact that I, like a huge number of gay men, don't even engage in it. And yet it's the first thing anyone thinks of when gay men are in the conversation.

[Centurion07]

romeogolf said:

...there's a lot more to my life than anal sex. Not to mention the fact that I, like a huge number of gay men, don't even engage in it.

Every day's a school day.

Doesn't leave a lot else though, does it?

[motco]

Centurion07 said:

romeogolf said:

...there's a lot more to my life than anal sex. Not to mention the fact that I, like a huge number of gay men, don't even engage in it.

Every day's a school day.

Doesn't leave a lot else though, does it?

Please, don't ask!

[romeogolf]

Centurion07 said:

Doesn't leave a lot else though, does it?

Whenever people say this I can only imagine how miserable their sex life is

[Centurion07]

motco said:

Please, don't ask!

It was most definitely rhetorical!

[king arthur]

Einion Yrth said:

Derek Smith said:

What on earth does 'wrong' mean in this context? It is not against the law, so that's out. If it's a nasty thing in his religion then say so.

Come to that, 'dangerous to society' needs some explanation as well. If he is suggesting that society will explode, implode, dissolve or become more left wing, then he needs to explain why it hasn't happened over the last few thousand years.

Well homosexuality has been either illegal or persecuted for large periods of that time, and while I think he's talking bks, I suspect that it is the easy acceptance of it that he views as damaging to society.

He would still need to explain why easy acceptance of homosexuality would damage society. Surely society would be a lot happier if no-one were to bat an eyelid at seeing two men together or thinking of them being together as disgusting?

[Einion Yrth]

king arthur said:

Einion Yrth said:

Derek Smith said:

What on earth does 'wrong' mean in this context? It is not against the law, so that's out. If it's a nasty thing in his religion then say so.

Come to that, 'dangerous to society' needs some explanation as well. If he is suggesting that society will explode, implode, dissolve or become more left wing, then he needs to explain why it hasn't happened over the last few thousand years.

Well homosexuality has been either illegal or persecuted for large periods of that time, and while I think he's talking bks, I suspect that it is the easy acceptance of it that he views as damaging to society.

He would still need to explain why easy acceptance of homosexuality would damage society. Surely society would be a lot happier if no-one were to bat an eyelid at seeing two men together or thinking of them being together as disgusting?

I think if you read my post you'll find we are in agreement; I was merely positing what I believe is probably this individual's viewpoint.

[Justayellowbadge]

I disagree with him and find his views wrong and possibly even dangerous to society.

However, without further context, I'm not convinced the Facebook reportage by a 'passionate campaigner for LGBT rights' of a sum total of four words is enough to accuse the man of 'bigotry and hatred'.

[Boring_Chris]

Tom Logan said:

I personally think it's disgusting to stick your nudger up another chap's blurter (or vice versa) but I would not berate anyone of that ilk.

Don't mind lesbians though.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.



edited for clarity

Edited by Tom Logan on Friday 28th April 21:08

What does this even mean?

Are you 15 years old?

[Goaty Bill 2]

Boring_Chris said:

Tom Logan said:

I personally think it's disgusting to stick your nudger up another chap's blurter (or vice versa) but I would not berate anyone of that ilk.

Don't mind lesbians though.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.



edited for clarity

Edited by Tom Logan on Friday 28th April 21:08

What does this even mean?

Are you 15 years old?

Though somewhat inelegantly put, I would suggest that this is what was once known as a 'liberal' view point, now more commonly referred to as 'classic liberalism' I believe.

"I don't like / agree with what you are doing / saying, but I support / defend your free right to do it / say it."

It's what the some folks did before other people decided that political correctness was more important.


Edit: see italics

Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Saturday 29th April 12:06

[Tom Logan]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Though somewhat inelegantly put, I would suggest that this is what was once known as a 'liberal' view point, now more commonly referred to as 'classic liberalism' I believe.

"I don't like / agree with what you are doing / saying, but I support / defend your free right to do it / say it."

It's what the folks did before other people decided that political correctness was more important.

Exactly right.

[anonymous-user]

Classic liberalism:
"Sticking you nudger up another chap's blurter"

Who knew?

[Jonmx]

WilkoIW said:

Andrew Turner MP for the Isle of Wight told a group of A level students that homosexuality was 'wrong' and 'dangerous to society'.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/28/t...

He has since resigned but in his resignation statement made no mention of the incident never mind an apology.

The accepting and forward thinking Conservative party....

I've had a number of friends work in Westminster over the years, and I can assure you that of the 3 big parties (well, the Lib Dems were once big) the Tories are by far and away the most inclusive when it comes to acceptance of different sexualities. Tim Farron's recent issues are not unique to him alone in the Lib Dems. Whilst not one of the big parties, that loony in UKIP blamed bad weather on homosexuals. Sadly these antiquated views pop up from time to time but it seems to have been dealt with properly on this occasion.
Out of interest, would you say that the Labour Party is accepting and forward thinking in not expelling Ken Livingstone for his anti-Semitic views?

[Goaty Bill 2]

Jonmx said:

WilkoIW said:

Andrew Turner MP for the Isle of Wight told a group of A level students that homosexuality was 'wrong' and 'dangerous to society'.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/28/t...

He has since resigned but in his resignation statement made no mention of the incident never mind an apology.

The accepting and forward thinking Conservative party....

I've had a number of friends work in Westminster over the years, and I can assure you that of the 3 big parties (well, the Lib Dems were once big) the Tories are by far and away the most inclusive when it comes to acceptance of different sexualities. Tim Farron's recent issues are not unique to him alone in the Lib Dems. Whilst not one of the big parties, that loony in UKIP blamed bad weather on homosexuals. Sadly these antiquated views pop up from time to time but it seems to have been dealt with properly on this occasion.
Out of interest, would you say that the Labour Party is accepting and forward thinking in not expelling Ken Livingstone for his anti-Semitic views?

Not wishing to derail the thread, but a quick review of what Livingstone said, doesn't indicate anti-Semitism to me.
It has been stated in a number of documentaries over the years that there was an initial policy of Jewish deportation to Madagascar (The Madagascar Plan), which would simply indicate a demand for historical accuracy.
Apologies for the wiki reference. I can't speak for all the referenced documents, but I have read some of C. Browning, who is a highly respected historian, and I can assure you (based upon his writing) he is no Nazi apologist.

Ken said: "He [Hitler] was supporting Zionism - this is before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."
Is hardly Nazi apologist language.

I suspect a deep ignorance of history, and a deep seated desire for political correctness over accuracy was what was desired.

[Randy Winkman]

romeogolf said:

Tom Logan said:

I personally think it's disgusting to stick your nudger up another chap's blurter (or vice versa) but I would not berate anyone of that ilk.

Don't mind lesbians though.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.



edited for clarity

Edited by Tom Logan on Friday 28th April 21:08

Do you know what's really irritating? For my entire being to be reduced to a sex act. I'm a gay man, but there's a lot more to my life than anal sex. Not to mention the fact that I, like a huge number of gay men, don't even engage in it. And yet it's the first thing anyone thinks of when gay men are in the conversation.

You might have seen that this was a theme in a Stephen Fry documentary about homophobia couple of years ago. He pointed out that lots of "straight" people, especially homophobic ones seem to have a bit of an obsession with the act in question. As a straight man, when I relax in the evenings and watch artistic films on the internet, I rarely see anything else.

[Boring_Chris]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Boring_Chris said:

Tom Logan said:

I personally think it's disgusting to stick your nudger up another chap's blurter (or vice versa) but I would not berate anyone of that ilk.

Don't mind lesbians though.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.



edited for clarity

Edited by Tom Logan on Friday 28th April 21:08

What does this even mean?

Are you 15 years old?

Though somewhat inelegantly put, I would suggest that this is what was once known as a 'liberal' view point, now more commonly referred to as 'classic liberalism' I believe.

"I don't like / agree with what you are doing / saying, but I support / defend your free right to do it / say it."

It's what the some folks did before other people decided that political correctness was more important.


Edit: see italics

Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Saturday 29th April 12:06

Yeah, I kind of got that.

Goaty Bill, how do you feel about bum sex with a lady?

[technodup]

WilkoIW said:

The accepting and forward thinking Conservative party....

Has had two female leaders and prime ministers, going back decades. And the aforementioned lesbian female in the Scottish arm.

How many female or homosexual leaders has your party had?

[Jonesy23]

Just to check the original story, did he actually definitely say something or did a student just say he said it?

I know he stepped down etc. but that doesn't mean he made any comment, let alone tell us the content or context.

[avinalarf]

technodup said:

WilkoIW said:

The accepting and forward thinking Conservative party....

Has had two female leaders and prime ministers, going back decades. And the aforementioned lesbian female in the Scottish arm.

How many female or homosexual leaders has your party had?

Good point.....well made .....
and what about .........bestiality......necromancy .....swingers.....doggers.....
Come on , come on ....how many ?