Tory MP Andrew Turner says homosexuality is 'wrong'
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
I am disappointed that someone can be chastised and lose their job just because they have an opinion or belief that does not conform to the norm.
Tolerance should work both ways.
I agree. It's too like a totalitarian state. He had his opinions, and he stated one of them. If the Party doesn't like them it should deselect him for the next election at most. The voters will make their opinions known soon enough. Don't infer that I agree with him, I merely dislike such draconian control. I agree with the quote from Goaty Bill 2 about the right to express an opinion, right or wrong.Tolerance should work both ways.
PurpleMoonlight said:
I am disappointed that someone can be chastised and lose their job just because they have an opinion or belief that does not conform to the norm.
Tolerance should work both ways.
If said view would be a PR disaster for an organisation that lives or dies on public opinion........Tolerance should work both ways.
romeogolf said:
Tom Logan said:
I personally think it's disgusting to stick your nudger up another chap's blurter (or vice versa) but I would not berate anyone of that ilk.
Don't mind lesbians though.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
edited for clarity
Do you know what's really irritating? For my entire being to be reduced to a sex act. I'm a gay man, but there's a lot more to my life than anal sex. Not to mention the fact that I, like a huge number of gay men, don't even engage in it. And yet it's the first thing anyone thinks of when gay men are in the conversation.Don't mind lesbians though.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
edited for clarity
Edited by Tom Logan on Friday 28th April 21:08
Just a thought.
Ayahuasca said:
romeogolf said:
Tom Logan said:
I personally think it's disgusting to stick your nudger up another chap's blurter (or vice versa) but I would not berate anyone of that ilk.
Don't mind lesbians though.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
edited for clarity
Do you know what's really irritating? For my entire being to be reduced to a sex act. I'm a gay man, but there's a lot more to my life than anal sex. Not to mention the fact that I, like a huge number of gay men, don't even engage in it. And yet it's the first thing anyone thinks of when gay men are in the conversation.Don't mind lesbians though.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
edited for clarity
Edited by Tom Logan on Friday 28th April 21:08
Just a thought.
Boring_Chris said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Boring_Chris said:
Tom Logan said:
I personally think it's disgusting to stick your nudger up another chap's blurter (or vice versa) but I would not berate anyone of that ilk.
Don't mind lesbians though.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
edited for clarity
What does this even mean?Don't mind lesbians though.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
edited for clarity
Edited by Tom Logan on Friday 28th April 21:08
Are you 15 years old?
"I don't like / agree with what you are doing / saying, but I support / defend your free right to do it / say it."
It's what
Edit: see italics
Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Saturday 29th April 12:06
Goaty Bill, how do you feel about bum sex with a lady?
Would it not be, assuming you were rather objecting to the way in which Tom phrased his statement, be easier to simply criticise that directly?
My sexual orientation and proclivities are none of your business and in no way relevant to any part of the quoted conversation above.
Ayahuasca said:
You know what's also irritating? Someone who defines themselves as 'gay' (i.e. homo SEXUAL) getting irritated when people reduce him to a sex act. Stop defining yourself - reducing your whole being, in your words - by what you do with your bits and maybe others will follow.
Just a thought.
I'd disagree that I define myself or reduce my being to the type of sex I have. It's one part of my being and it was the one which was pertinent to the conversation. I'm also British, a useful description when abroad, part of Generation-Y, useful when discussing social changes between my lifetime and that of my grandparents, a graduate, useful when talking about my time at university, an internet-user, an employee, a citizen, a tax-payer... The list is long and none of these definitions alone defines me as a person, but each of them serves a purpose in explaining a view or an aspect of myself to another person.Just a thought.
However you wish to argue the etymology is irrelevant because the understood meaning is the same. Whether I call it gay, homosexual, or a man who has sex with men, you still think about "what I do with my bits".
WilkoIW said:
Andrew Turner MP for the Isle of Wight told a group of A level students that homosexuality was 'wrong' and 'dangerous to society'.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/28/t...
He has since resigned but in his resignation statement made no mention of the incident never mind an apology.
The accepting and forward thinking Conservative party....
He spoke out, and he's toast, isn't that a good thing?https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/28/t...
He has since resigned but in his resignation statement made no mention of the incident never mind an apology.
The accepting and forward thinking Conservative party....
romeogolf said:
Do you know what's really irritating? For my entire being to be reduced to a sex act. I'm a gay man, but there's a lot more to my life than anal sex. Not to mention the fact that I, like a huge number of gay men, don't even engage in it. And yet it's the first thing anyone thinks of when gay men are in the conversation.
This is what I'm been saying for years! These guys that put on this fake camp as you like voice! FFS no one cares who you're shagging anymore. It's 2017! Stop defining your life by the 4 mins a week you spend shagging (I assume that foreplay is a damn sight faster with 2 guys, than a guy and a girl 
)Boring_Chris said:
Ayahuasca said:
You know what's also irritating? Someone who defines themselves as 'gay' (i.e. homo SEXUAL) getting irritated when people reduce him to a sex act. Stop defining yourself - reducing your whole being, in your words - by what you do with your bits and maybe others will follow.
Just a thought.
You're a cretin.Just a thought.
Halb said:
He spoke out, and he's toast, isn't that a good thing?
No, I don't believe it is.He happens to believe that homosexuality is wrong and dangerous to society. You may not agree with him, but castigating someone for his beliefs - as opposed to his actions - is what, to use an extreme example, ISIS do.
If there is any evidence that he discriminated against gay people, fine, punish him But punishing people for thought crimes is not what we should be doing.
desolate said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Because he is not permitted an opinion that does not comply with the party line?
Of course he is permitted the opinion. The article said he resigned, do you expect the party to beg him to stay?article said:
Labour’s election campaign chair, Andrew Gwynne, had called on Theresa May to “intervene and investigate immediately” and suspend Turner as a Tory candidate if the allegations were found to be true.
“There is no place for bigotry and hatred like this in modern society and no one holding these views is fit for public office.” He said he looked forward to the prime minister speaking out against the suggestion of homophobia in her party to show she was serious about LGBT equality.
The Guardian understands that senior figures in the Conservative party made clear that Turner’s behaviour was unacceptable and that the MP agreed to step aside before he was pushed. One Tory insider said there was “no room in the Conservative party” for homophobic comments.
The implication being that he would likely have been suspended, and therefore unable to represent the party, for expressing a view out of line the party policy.“There is no place for bigotry and hatred like this in modern society and no one holding these views is fit for public office.” He said he looked forward to the prime minister speaking out against the suggestion of homophobia in her party to show she was serious about LGBT equality.
The Guardian understands that senior figures in the Conservative party made clear that Turner’s behaviour was unacceptable and that the MP agreed to step aside before he was pushed. One Tory insider said there was “no room in the Conservative party” for homophobic comments.
One might then question why other party MPs are allowed to publicly express opinions contrary to party policy.
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