EU to accept united Ireland provision...

EU to accept united Ireland provision...

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Original Poster:

924 posts

106 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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EU are expected to approve a declaration whereby if the people of Ireland agreed to unite, then the entire territory would be part of EU.

Wonder if this would tempt the Unionist section of the population?

Anyone on here speculate on the odds of both Northern Ireland and Scotland going peeling off brom England/Wales?

Doesn't have to be a heavy or insulting/angry thread.

If I was down the bookies I would put more money on the Scots but it's close and just as likely that neither will do anything!

Deptford Draylons

10,480 posts

243 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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They should try and tempt the Falkland Islands too.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Deptford Draylons said:
They should try and tempt the Falkland Islands too.
And Crimea?

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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I haven't seen (m)any polls that suggest Scottish people want independence.

I doubt the N Irish want to split or even if the Irish want them to join. The Irish voted against the Lisbon treaty when the got the chance. Then they had to keep having votes until they changed their mind.

It all seems a bit unlikely to me.

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Original Poster:

924 posts

106 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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El stovey said:
I haven't seen (m)any polls that suggest Scottish people want independence.

I doubt the N Irish want to split or even if the Irish want them to join. The Irish voted against the Lisbon treaty when the got the chance. Then they had to keep having votes until they changed their mind.

It all seems a bit unlikely to me.
That all makes sense but I've reluctantly given up on people making sense. I used to think the people who were anti-EU were a bit like morris dancers and real ale enthusiasts: genial, self-entertaining traditional English eccentrics.
I never really thought there'd ever even be a vote on it but I see how wrong I was about that.
Then Trump, then LePen, chuck in Putin... North Korea ...all my certainties are on very shaky ground.

I think I just became complacent as I got older and, surrounded by people with similar beliefs, came to think that was 'normal' that most people thought like that.

I genuinely think anything could happen. Ireland could have guns on the streets again if that went wrong.

We're not as far away from that as I'd like in the UK. There's a lot more simmering hate and resentment than there was a year ago.

Or it could all blow over - which is probably most likely, but I have doubts where I didn't have them before.

I'm now a firmer believer in 'past performance is not an indicator of future outcomes'.

Perhaps I wouldn't put any money on it after all! wink

Puggit

48,426 posts

248 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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From what I see, it's just a sensible piece of planning. There is precedent, when East and West Germany reunited.

FourWheelDrift

88,486 posts

284 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Puggit said:
From what I see, it's just a sensible piece of planning. There is precedent, when East and West Germany reunited.
That's not worked as well as they would have you believe.

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

98 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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saaby93 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
They should try and tempt the Falkland Islands too.
And Crimea?
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Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

98 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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FourWheelDrift said:
Puggit said:
From what I see, it's just a sensible piece of planning. There is precedent, when East and West Germany reunited.
That's not worked as well as they would have you believe.


Jamel

vonuber

17,868 posts

165 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Puggit said:
From what I see, it's just a sensible piece of planning. There is precedent, when East and West Germany reunited.
Doesn't it just clarify the Good Friday Agreement?

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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saaby93 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
They should try and tempt the Falkland Islands too.
And Crimea?
Well if they offer billions of Euros in "loans / assistance" ( €2.81 billion since 2014) like they did and still do to Ukraine, it's not surprising some have their heads turned.

Borghetto

3,274 posts

183 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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alfie2244 said:
Well if they offer billions of Euros in "loans / assistance" ( €2.81 billion since 2014) like they did and still do to Ukraine, it's not surprising some have their heads turned.
I'm sure the republic would be thrilled having to pacify a million odd Protestants. Also the amount of subsidy that will be required to replace the UK exchequer's will be yet another drain on Eire/EU finances.

don'tbesilly

13,928 posts

163 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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footnote said:
El stovey said:
I haven't seen (m)any polls that suggest Scottish people want independence.

I doubt the N Irish want to split or even if the Irish want them to join. The Irish voted against the Lisbon treaty when the got the chance. Then they had to keep having votes until they changed their mind.

It all seems a bit unlikely to me.
There's a lot more simmering hate and resentment than there was a year ago.
Really?

How does this manifest itself to you?

Sounds good as a soundbite, I can't say I've noticed what you claim, perhaps I lead a sheltered life working in London & around the country.

gothatway

5,783 posts

170 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Sylvaforever said:


Jamel
That's a pretty map. Where is it of and what does it illustrate ?

irocfan

40,379 posts

190 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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gothatway said:
Sylvaforever said:


Jamel
That's a pretty map. Where is it of and what does it illustrate ?
I had to google this - it's the neo-nazi village of Jamal in (former) East Germany

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 1st May 2017
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Borghetto said:
alfie2244 said:
Well if they offer billions of Euros in "loans / assistance" ( €2.81 billion since 2014) like they did and still do to Ukraine, it's not surprising some have their heads turned.
I'm sure the republic would be thrilled having to pacify a million odd Protestants. Also the amount of subsidy that will be required to replace the UK exchequer's will be yet another drain on Eire/EU finances.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39072611
The republic are keen
The EU are also in approval
Bearing the strong pro remain vote in NI there is a good chance there will be a push to leave UK.
I'd put money on it happening

Budflicker

3,799 posts

184 months

Monday 1st May 2017
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Whats the downside for the iUk to lose N Ireland?

Surely we would be better off, in fact give it a few years and Scotland and N Ireland gone England and Wales would require a much lower tax take.

Borghetto

3,274 posts

183 months

Monday 1st May 2017
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Jimboka said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39072611
The republic are keen
The EU are also in approval
Bearing the strong pro remain vote in NI there is a good chance there will be a push to leave UK.
I'd put money on it happening
It has always been official policy for the Republic to reunify the island - that really isn't the issue. That a majority of the north wished to remain, is a million miles away from the Unionists wanting to be subsumed into the Republic. Given the huge subsidy the UK gives the north,, who is going to replace this - Eire? the EU?. The UK has spent decades just about keeping the lid on Northern Ireland - good luck Ireland taking on this mantle.

nicanary

9,789 posts

146 months

Monday 1st May 2017
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Borghetto said:
Jimboka said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39072611
The republic are keen
The EU are also in approval
Bearing the strong pro remain vote in NI there is a good chance there will be a push to leave UK.
I'd put money on it happening
It has always been official policy for the Republic to reunify the island - that really isn't the issue. That a majority of the north wished to remain, is a million miles away from the Unionists wanting to be subsumed into the Republic. Given the huge subsidy the UK gives the north,, who is going to replace this - Eire? the EU?. The UK has spent decades just about keeping the lid on Northern Ireland - good luck Ireland taking on this mantle.
Couldn't agree more. I read a post somewhere which claimed the Republic had one of the strongest economies in the EU - that's news to me. It wasn't so long ago that it was one of the basket-cases along with Greece and Portugal. Can't have improved that much.

They can't afford 1.6 million incomers, especially if half of them are whining Loyalists and/or the massive Civil Service that constitutes the backbone of the Ulster economy. It would take massive subsidies from the EU for the next 20/30 years to achieve a satisfactory financial union. The large international corporations who have invested in business in Northern Ireland wouldn't be too happy either - OK it's all a bit mickey-mouse by GB standards, but it keeps down the unemployment figures and gives the more educated school-leavers something to aim for.

Plus - who's going to pay for the inevitable riots?

Borghetto

3,274 posts

183 months

Monday 1st May 2017
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nicanary said:
Plus - who's going to pay for the inevitable civil war?
I hope you don't mind, but I've edited it for you.