EU to accept united Ireland provision...
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EU are expected to approve a declaration whereby if the people of Ireland agreed to unite, then the entire territory would be part of EU.
Wonder if this would tempt the Unionist section of the population?
Anyone on here speculate on the odds of both Northern Ireland and Scotland going peeling off brom England/Wales?
Doesn't have to be a heavy or insulting/angry thread.
If I was down the bookies I would put more money on the Scots but it's close and just as likely that neither will do anything!
Wonder if this would tempt the Unionist section of the population?
Anyone on here speculate on the odds of both Northern Ireland and Scotland going peeling off brom England/Wales?
Doesn't have to be a heavy or insulting/angry thread.
If I was down the bookies I would put more money on the Scots but it's close and just as likely that neither will do anything!
I haven't seen (m)any polls that suggest Scottish people want independence.
I doubt the N Irish want to split or even if the Irish want them to join. The Irish voted against the Lisbon treaty when the got the chance. Then they had to keep having votes until they changed their mind.
It all seems a bit unlikely to me.
I doubt the N Irish want to split or even if the Irish want them to join. The Irish voted against the Lisbon treaty when the got the chance. Then they had to keep having votes until they changed their mind.
It all seems a bit unlikely to me.
El stovey said:
I haven't seen (m)any polls that suggest Scottish people want independence.
I doubt the N Irish want to split or even if the Irish want them to join. The Irish voted against the Lisbon treaty when the got the chance. Then they had to keep having votes until they changed their mind.
It all seems a bit unlikely to me.
That all makes sense but I've reluctantly given up on people making sense. I used to think the people who were anti-EU were a bit like morris dancers and real ale enthusiasts: genial, self-entertaining traditional English eccentrics. I doubt the N Irish want to split or even if the Irish want them to join. The Irish voted against the Lisbon treaty when the got the chance. Then they had to keep having votes until they changed their mind.
It all seems a bit unlikely to me.
I never really thought there'd ever even be a vote on it but I see how wrong I was about that.
Then Trump, then LePen, chuck in Putin... North Korea ...all my certainties are on very shaky ground.
I think I just became complacent as I got older and, surrounded by people with similar beliefs, came to think that was 'normal' that most people thought like that.
I genuinely think anything could happen. Ireland could have guns on the streets again if that went wrong.
We're not as far away from that as I'd like in the UK. There's a lot more simmering hate and resentment than there was a year ago.
Or it could all blow over - which is probably most likely, but I have doubts where I didn't have them before.
I'm now a firmer believer in 'past performance is not an indicator of future outcomes'.
Perhaps I wouldn't put any money on it after all!
alfie2244 said:
Well if they offer billions of Euros in "loans / assistance" ( €2.81 billion since 2014) like they did and still do to Ukraine, it's not surprising some have their heads turned.
I'm sure the republic would be thrilled having to pacify a million odd Protestants. Also the amount of subsidy that will be required to replace the UK exchequer's will be yet another drain on Eire/EU finances.footnote said:
El stovey said:
I haven't seen (m)any polls that suggest Scottish people want independence.
I doubt the N Irish want to split or even if the Irish want them to join. The Irish voted against the Lisbon treaty when the got the chance. Then they had to keep having votes until they changed their mind.
It all seems a bit unlikely to me.
There's a lot more simmering hate and resentment than there was a year ago.I doubt the N Irish want to split or even if the Irish want them to join. The Irish voted against the Lisbon treaty when the got the chance. Then they had to keep having votes until they changed their mind.
It all seems a bit unlikely to me.
How does this manifest itself to you?
Sounds good as a soundbite, I can't say I've noticed what you claim, perhaps I lead a sheltered life working in London & around the country.
Borghetto said:
alfie2244 said:
Well if they offer billions of Euros in "loans / assistance" ( €2.81 billion since 2014) like they did and still do to Ukraine, it's not surprising some have their heads turned.
I'm sure the republic would be thrilled having to pacify a million odd Protestants. Also the amount of subsidy that will be required to replace the UK exchequer's will be yet another drain on Eire/EU finances.The republic are keen
The EU are also in approval
Bearing the strong pro remain vote in NI there is a good chance there will be a push to leave UK.
I'd put money on it happening
Jimboka said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39072611
The republic are keen
The EU are also in approval
Bearing the strong pro remain vote in NI there is a good chance there will be a push to leave UK.
I'd put money on it happening
It has always been official policy for the Republic to reunify the island - that really isn't the issue. That a majority of the north wished to remain, is a million miles away from the Unionists wanting to be subsumed into the Republic. Given the huge subsidy the UK gives the north,, who is going to replace this - Eire? the EU?. The UK has spent decades just about keeping the lid on Northern Ireland - good luck Ireland taking on this mantle. The republic are keen
The EU are also in approval
Bearing the strong pro remain vote in NI there is a good chance there will be a push to leave UK.
I'd put money on it happening
Borghetto said:
Jimboka said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39072611
The republic are keen
The EU are also in approval
Bearing the strong pro remain vote in NI there is a good chance there will be a push to leave UK.
I'd put money on it happening
It has always been official policy for the Republic to reunify the island - that really isn't the issue. That a majority of the north wished to remain, is a million miles away from the Unionists wanting to be subsumed into the Republic. Given the huge subsidy the UK gives the north,, who is going to replace this - Eire? the EU?. The UK has spent decades just about keeping the lid on Northern Ireland - good luck Ireland taking on this mantle. The republic are keen
The EU are also in approval
Bearing the strong pro remain vote in NI there is a good chance there will be a push to leave UK.
I'd put money on it happening
They can't afford 1.6 million incomers, especially if half of them are whining Loyalists and/or the massive Civil Service that constitutes the backbone of the Ulster economy. It would take massive subsidies from the EU for the next 20/30 years to achieve a satisfactory financial union. The large international corporations who have invested in business in Northern Ireland wouldn't be too happy either - OK it's all a bit mickey-mouse by GB standards, but it keeps down the unemployment figures and gives the more educated school-leavers something to aim for.
Plus - who's going to pay for the inevitable riots?
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