Fox Hunting

[Wiccan of Darkness]

The ban is unworkable and the most ridiculous bit of legislation ever.

The private members bill was put forward by Mike Foster, who was the labour MP for Worcester. It was widely rumoured at the time that he had been overheard saying the bill was another way for labour to stick it to them (the tories) along with a lot of other st labour did at the time. Consequently, the legislation has more holes than swiss cheese and is thoroughly unworkable. Whether or not one agrees with fox hunting is at this point irrelevant, the legislation to prevent it is bonkers and should be repealed.

What to replace it with is another matter.

Opponents say it's cruel, and use quite emotive terms such as 'would you like to be torn to pieces by hounds', well it's a lot more humane than trapping and leaving a fox to die over the course of a week. Or poisoning.

Once again labour for purely political means decided to implement unworkable legislation on something they knew nothing about and failed to look at the knock on efffects simply to score more political points.

Back when the hunting bill was passed, during labours first term, there was this over riding sense that 18 years of tory control should be bashed at every opportunity.

[gadgetmac]

It wouldn't be unworkable if, you know, the country gents actually obeyed the law. Something they'd be the first to criticise someone from an inner city for not doing.

[Stickyfinger]

gadgetmac said:

It wouldn't be unworkable if, you know, the country gents actually obeyed the law. Something they'd be the first to criticise someone from an inner city for not doing.

Here we go again.....Hunting is a "Country Gent, red coat and a horse"......such total bks in the heads of most people when it comes to hunting/countryside................... Funny

[anonymous-user]

It had all gone a bit wrong for the conservatives in the late nineties. We had all the sleaze and cash for questions, people still remembered black Wednesday.

Blair came alone in his wave of Cool Britannia and took away the Britannia ironically and the hunting act came along. Even Blair said it was a mistake afterwards and that admission from a bloke that didn't think lying about WMDs was wrong.

[gadgetmac]

Stickyfinger said:

gadgetmac said:

It wouldn't be unworkable if, you know, the country gents actually obeyed the law. Something they'd be the first to criticise someone from an inner city for not doing.

Here we go again.....Hunting is a "Country Gent, red coat and a horse"......such total bks in the heads of most people when it comes to hunting/countryside................... Funny

I live in the country and go to events to support the local hunts kennel upkeep. I know exactly who goes to my local hunt.

But of course lets talk about that rather than the law breaking eh?

[citizensm1th]

my brother and his family ride to the hounds on the isle of wight, He is a horrible aspirational tt and certifiably not a a country gent.

he is a plumber for a social housing group and his wife is a nursing auxiliary

they use the equestrian scene to try to social climb while not realising that the real toffs recognise them for what they are and quietly laugh at their expense.


I find it highly amusing and never tire of reminding him of just how unsavoury his chosen hobby is.

back in the late 90,s i even joined the sabs on a couple of occasions just to annoy and embarrass him by being very vocal who i was to his new friends.

i am by no way anti blood sports and enjoy a day out rough shooting/ beating it is the inherent "we are better than you" snobbery of the hunts that i have come across that makes me glad it has been banned.

i now live in a area very close to the quorn hunt and my local hunt are this lovely bunch

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1925155/shocking-mom...

[anonymous-user]

citizensm1th said:

my brother and his family ride to the hounds on the isle of wight, He is a horrible aspirational tt and certifiably not a a country gent.

he is a plumber for a social housing group and his wife is a nursing auxiliary

they use the equestrian scene to try to social climb while not realising that the real toffs recognise them for what they are and quietly laugh at their expense.


I find it highly amusing and never tire of reminding him of just how unsavoury his chosen hobby is.

back in the late 90,s i even joined the sabs on a couple of occasions just to annoy and embarrass him by being very vocal who i was to his new friends.

i am by no way anti blood sports and enjoy a day out rough shooting/ beating it is the inherent "we are better than you" snobbery of the hunts that i have come across that makes me glad it has been banned.

i now live in a area very close to the quorn hunt and my local hunt are this lovely bunch

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1925155/shocking-mom...

Bit of an angry rage there, reminds me of that Fox-hunter bloke that tried to take on a helicopter.

[Halb]

El stovey said:

Bit of an angry rage there, reminds me of that Fox-hunter bloke that tried to take on a helicopter.

This bloke?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxjqBpBEVHo

[Mr GrimNasty]

It's not about the welfare of the fox, never was. Just a class war (or rather perceived class).

[Stickyfinger]

gadgetmac said:

I live in the country and go to events to support the local hunts kennel upkeep. I know exactly who goes to my local hunt.

But of course lets talk about that rather than the law breaking eh?

Happy to agree law breaking should be punished....nobody should be above the law

Let us also discuss assault and intimidation by the Anti-hunt groups.

[citizensm1th]

Mr GrimNasty said:

It's not about the welfare of the fox, never was. Just a class war (or rather perceived class).

in my case its both plus a bit of sibling rivalry

and you can add id rather have foxes to lamp than have the lanes near me clogged with hunt horses , horse boxes and geriatric hunt followers.

[HughiusMaximus]

Looks like the she realised this was a bad idea....


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42594068

[anonymous-user]

[colonel c]

Trail hunting??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42pt6mDHWj0

[ATG]

The fox hunting vote was an object lesson in how not to make political decisions. Animal welfare is understandably an emotive subject, it doesn't directly effect the vast majority of people so they have no first hand experience to help calibrate their thinking, it taps into class resentment, it taps into town versus country resentment. Chance of clear thinking and tolerance prevailing? Nil. Posturing, prejudice, self-indulgent emotionalism is no basis for a decision and isn't justified by saying "it's democratic".

[Randy Winkman]

ATG said:

The fox hunting vote was an object lesson in how not to make political decisions. Animal welfare is understandably an emotive subject, it doesn't directly effect the vast majority of people so they have no first hand experience to help calibrate their thinking, it taps into class resentment, it taps into town versus country resentment. Chance of clear thinking and tolerance prevailing? Nil. Posturing, prejudice, self-indulgent emotionalism is no basis for a decision and isn't justified by saying "it's democratic".

You've said lots of things that look true to me but what's the point you're actually making?

[Smollet]

I often wonder if foxes looked like slugs would there be such an uproar about hunting them?
They’d be a lot easier to catch though if they did.

[tumble dryer]

Randy Winkman said:

ATG said:

The fox hunting vote was an object lesson in how not to make political decisions. Animal welfare is understandably an emotive subject, it doesn't directly effect the vast majority of people so they have no first hand experience to help calibrate their thinking, it taps into class resentment, it taps into town versus country resentment. Chance of clear thinking and tolerance prevailing? Nil. Posturing, prejudice, self-indulgent emotionalism is no basis for a decision and isn't justified by saying "it's democratic".

You've said lots of things that look true to me but what's the point you're actually making?

Eh? Front and centre.

[Randy Winkman]

tumble dryer said:

Randy Winkman said:

ATG said:

The fox hunting vote was an object lesson in how not to make political decisions. Animal welfare is understandably an emotive subject, it doesn't directly effect the vast majority of people so they have no first hand experience to help calibrate their thinking, it taps into class resentment, it taps into town versus country resentment. Chance of clear thinking and tolerance prevailing? Nil. Posturing, prejudice, self-indulgent emotionalism is no basis for a decision and isn't justified by saying "it's democratic".

You've said lots of things that look true to me but what's the point you're actually making?

Eh? Front and centre.

OK. How should a political decision be reached on the issue? It was banned a few years ago - what should the current government have done? To put my cards on the table - I think they should have just left the subject alone.

[HughiusMaximus]

Randy Winkman said:

OK. How should a political decision be reached on the issue? It was banned a few years ago - what should the current government have done? To put my cards on the table - I think they should have just left the subject alone.

Wasn't the perception that the Tories felt so secure going in to the election that they felt they could push this through without any repercussion.

I'm clearly not saying this was why they performed poorly in the election, but more to explain why they tried it in the first place....