Discussion
CountZero23 said:
HughiusMaximus said:
Gross oversimplification of what actually happens.
Less 'track and despatch' and more run it ragged it for miles before cornering it and tearing it to pieces.
You can make the case about foxes being a pest that needs their numbers reduced, but the manner in which it is done has to be humane... and fox hunting is anything but that.
+1Less 'track and despatch' and more run it ragged it for miles before cornering it and tearing it to pieces.
You can make the case about foxes being a pest that needs their numbers reduced, but the manner in which it is done has to be humane... and fox hunting is anything but that.
Gunshot to the head/body. Job jobbed.
FN2TypeR said:
CountZero23 said:
HughiusMaximus said:
Gross oversimplification of what actually happens.
Less 'track and despatch' and more run it ragged it for miles before cornering it and tearing it to pieces.
You can make the case about foxes being a pest that needs their numbers reduced, but the manner in which it is done has to be humane... and fox hunting is anything but that.
+1Less 'track and despatch' and more run it ragged it for miles before cornering it and tearing it to pieces.
You can make the case about foxes being a pest that needs their numbers reduced, but the manner in which it is done has to be humane... and fox hunting is anything but that.
BOR said:
He who pays the piper, calls the tune.
The rich backers of the Conservative Party want a reversal of the hunting ban, then that is what they have paid for, and that is what they should expect.
Theresa May could not give the slightest of two s
ts whether the little people like it or not. When they start stumping up the big money to run the party, then they get a say in what happens.
Until then, they can suck it up.
It's awful politics though. The pro hunt people aren't going to be defecting to sweep Corbyn to power, but plenty of other people are turned off by the possibility of hunting returning who are much more likely vote elsewhere (a lot of which have probably not been the traditional core Tory voter)The rich backers of the Conservative Party want a reversal of the hunting ban, then that is what they have paid for, and that is what they should expect.
Theresa May could not give the slightest of two s
ts whether the little people like it or not. When they start stumping up the big money to run the party, then they get a say in what happens. Until then, they can suck it up.
It makes no sense to even acknowledge the topic at the moment. If she wants to do something here she would be better off parking it for a year and revisiting then.
Foxes are a pest on the pheasant shoot I work my dog on. The keeper keeps the number down by lamping them at night. I'm not anti hunting but I think there are better ways to dispatch an animal, even a fox. which is far from cute and cuddly and will cause havoc leaving birds dead and torn apart if they get into a pen.
In my experience of hunt folk, very few are posh arrogant toffs and they cant ride overland they don't permission to be on. Part of the hunt masters role is to keep the local land owners sweet and know where they can and cant be
In my experience of hunt folk, very few are posh arrogant toffs and they cant ride overland they don't permission to be on. Part of the hunt masters role is to keep the local land owners sweet and know where they can and cant be
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
FN2TypeR said:
CountZero23 said:
HughiusMaximus said:
Gross oversimplification of what actually happens.
Less 'track and despatch' and more run it ragged it for miles before cornering it and tearing it to pieces.
You can make the case about foxes being a pest that needs their numbers reduced, but the manner in which it is done has to be humane... and fox hunting is anything but that.
+1Less 'track and despatch' and more run it ragged it for miles before cornering it and tearing it to pieces.
You can make the case about foxes being a pest that needs their numbers reduced, but the manner in which it is done has to be humane... and fox hunting is anything but that.
I actually find it a bit frightening that presumably otherwise decent people actually enjoy the nature of watching a pack of dogs ripping a fox apart.
If we are going to legalise fox hunting, will there be a lobby to legalise dog fighting?
Interesting interview with Damian Green this morning, partly relating to Fox Hunting.
He seemed to liken the repeal of the Fox Hunting ban to repealing Prohibition in the states in the 1920's, stating "Banning things leads to criminality"
He's still quite keen on banning recreational drugs though - seems that's all completely different.
He seemed to liken the repeal of the Fox Hunting ban to repealing Prohibition in the states in the 1920's, stating "Banning things leads to criminality"
He's still quite keen on banning recreational drugs though - seems that's all completely different.
kingston12 said:
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
FN2TypeR said:
CountZero23 said:
HughiusMaximus said:
Gross oversimplification of what actually happens.
Less 'track and despatch' and more run it ragged it for miles before cornering it and tearing it to pieces.
You can make the case about foxes being a pest that needs their numbers reduced, but the manner in which it is done has to be humane... and fox hunting is anything but that.
+1Less 'track and despatch' and more run it ragged it for miles before cornering it and tearing it to pieces.
You can make the case about foxes being a pest that needs their numbers reduced, but the manner in which it is done has to be humane... and fox hunting is anything but that.
I actually find it a bit frightening that presumably otherwise decent people actually enjoy the nature of watching a pack of dogs ripping a fox apart.
If we are going to legalise fox hunting, will there be a lobby to legalise dog fighting?
Lots of grumblings on twitter #foxhunting
kingston12 said:
Totally agree.
I actually find it a bit frightening that presumably otherwise decent people actually enjoy the nature of watching a pack of dogs ripping a fox apart.
If we are going to legalise fox hunting, will there be a lobby to legalise dog fighting?
+1I actually find it a bit frightening that presumably otherwise decent people actually enjoy the nature of watching a pack of dogs ripping a fox apart.
If we are going to legalise fox hunting, will there be a lobby to legalise dog fighting?
it's vile, I can't fathom how people enjoy it or any form of hunting for entertainment.
It has nothing to do with it being a class issue as some people are making it out to be.
BOR said:
He who pays the piper, calls the tune.
The rich backers of the Conservative Party want a reversal of the hunting ban, then that is what they have paid for, and that is what they should expect.
Theresa May could not give the slightest of two sts whether the little people like it or not. When they start stumping up the big money to run the party, then they get a say in what happens.
Until then, they can suck it up.
TM isn't pushing it through though. It's a free vote. Could go either way.The rich backers of the Conservative Party want a reversal of the hunting ban, then that is what they have paid for, and that is what they should expect.
Theresa May could not give the slightest of two s
ts whether the little people like it or not. When they start stumping up the big money to run the party, then they get a say in what happens. Until then, they can suck it up.
BOR said:
He who pays the piper, calls the tune.
The rich backers of the Conservative Party want a reversal of the hunting ban, then that is what they have paid for, and that is what they should expect.
Theresa May could not give the slightest of two sts whether the little people like it or not. When they start stumping up the big money to run the party, then they get a say in what happens.
Wow.The rich backers of the Conservative Party want a reversal of the hunting ban, then that is what they have paid for, and that is what they should expect.
Theresa May could not give the slightest of two s
ts whether the little people like it or not. When they start stumping up the big money to run the party, then they get a say in what happens. How is Labour funded?
kingston12 said:
I actually find it a bit frightening that presumably otherwise decent people actually enjoy the nature of watching a pack of dogs ripping a fox apart.
Do the Riders actually get to "enjoy the nature of watching a pack of dogs ripping a fox apart" or do they just go out for a ride with a pack of dogs and see most of it from a distance?I don't think you'll find members of the hunt, other than maybe just the pack owner, in with the pack to actually see the kill happen. My guess is most riders won't put their horse anywhere near a pack of dogs during the kill, although they may see some remains afterwards.
IanH755 said:
kingston12 said:
I actually find it a bit frightening that presumably otherwise decent people actually enjoy the nature of watching a pack of dogs ripping a fox apart.
Do the Riders actually get to "enjoy the nature of watching a pack of dogs ripping a fox apart" or do they just go out for a ride with a pack of dogs and see most of it from a distance?I don't think you'll find members of the hunt, other than maybe just the pack owner, in with the pack to actually see the kill happen. My guess is most riders won't put their horse anywhere near a pack of dogs during the kill, although they may see some remains afterwards.
The pest control argument doesn't really hold water as we have cheaper, more efficient and more humane ways of doing that. If the hunters don't get enjoyment from killing the animal, then why do it?
FN2TypeR said:
Interesting interview with Damian Green this morning, partly relating to Fox Hunting.
He seemed to liken the repeal of the Fox Hunting ban to repealing Prohibition in the states in the 1920's, stating "Banning things leads to criminality"
He's still quite keen on banning recreational drugs though - seems that's all completely different.
Taking recreational drugs has a negative impact on others.He seemed to liken the repeal of the Fox Hunting ban to repealing Prohibition in the states in the 1920's, stating "Banning things leads to criminality"
He's still quite keen on banning recreational drugs though - seems that's all completely different.
Hayek said:
FN2TypeR said:
Interesting interview with Damian Green this morning, partly relating to Fox Hunting.
He seemed to liken the repeal of the Fox Hunting ban to repealing Prohibition in the states in the 1920's, stating "Banning things leads to criminality"
He's still quite keen on banning recreational drugs though - seems that's all completely different.
Taking recreational drugs has a negative impact on others.He seemed to liken the repeal of the Fox Hunting ban to repealing Prohibition in the states in the 1920's, stating "Banning things leads to criminality"
He's still quite keen on banning recreational drugs though - seems that's all completely different.
Remove the criminal status of drugs - no more bloody criminals, hey presto! He's applying that exact argument to fox hunting.
Edited by FN2TypeR on Wednesday 10th May 11:22
kingston12 said:
Perhaps, but what is the point of killing the foxes then? Surely it easier just to get dressed up and go for a ride if that is their thing?
The pest control argument doesn't really hold water as we have cheaper, more efficient and more humane ways of doing that. If the hunters don't get enjoyment from killing the animal, then why do it?
Whats the point? - I guess having a "target or goal" to do something rather than just having an aimless ride around the countryside. Isn't this why simulated Hunts still exist, to give purpose to a ride?The pest control argument doesn't really hold water as we have cheaper, more efficient and more humane ways of doing that. If the hunters don't get enjoyment from killing the animal, then why do it?
Enjoyment - As above really, I'd guess the enjoyment comes from having a goal and achieving it.
Personally my "enjoyment" at amateur pest control for my local farmer came from proving I had the skill to put something very small (4-8mm bullet) into something the size of a tennis ball (brain/heart) at various ranges every time without missing, causing an instant humane death. Knowing I'd stopped any further damage caused by the animal I'd killed, well I wouldn't consider that to be "enjoyment", just "professionalism" in getting the job done to the best of my ability.
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