Moped muggers and police bike chase laws
Discussion
richie99 said:
Fastpedeller said:
If members of the public carry around a large tyre lever or similar they can stuff it through the front wheel of the offender's moped, and hey presto - Instant justice. 
Unfortunately member of public will be put inside for carrying a dangerous weapon.
Umbrella? A good strong one would work a treat. Unfortunately member of public will be put inside for carrying a dangerous weapon.I got done by one of these at the weekend. I think it was in Kensington, or thereabouts, and we were searching for an overpriced coffee outlet. I had my phone out for a minute studying Google Maps when two kids on a scooter very gingerly nudged passed (on the pavement) and oh-so-casually yoinked my iPhone out of my hand.
These kids were clearly well practiced because it was over in a second, and with no drama at all. I was actually really impressed at how professional it all was! Right up until the little
turned around and stuck his V's up at me. Now I'm hoping they're both hit by a bus.
These kids were clearly well practiced because it was over in a second, and with no drama at all. I was actually really impressed at how professional it all was! Right up until the little
turned around and stuck his V's up at me. Now I'm hoping they're both hit by a bus.Massive police presence at the South end of Waterloo Bridge this late afternoon/evening pulling over what looked like every passing moped and a large number of motorbikes too, a good number of which were parked in a row by the kerb when I went past, with no riders hanging about so presume they'd been confiscated then and there for tax/insurance/ownership offences or similar.
Cunning spot to do it as they were so far down the bridge they would be hard to spot until you were half way across, no side roads to dart down and probably a patrol or two back up at the Aldwych ready to intercept any that did a suspicious mid-bridge turnaround.
Don't know if it was specifically related to moped mugging crime, but it was a checkpoint type that I've not seen before in the capital.
Cunning spot to do it as they were so far down the bridge they would be hard to spot until you were half way across, no side roads to dart down and probably a patrol or two back up at the Aldwych ready to intercept any that did a suspicious mid-bridge turnaround.
Don't know if it was specifically related to moped mugging crime, but it was a checkpoint type that I've not seen before in the capital.
Fastpedeller said:
Indeed- or a walking stick.
Good idea. Thanks. I commute into London on a scooter everyday and I was thinking of getting one of those extendable batons as a bit of self defence that could be kept handy in a slot on the dash but I am concerned if anything happened I would be in trouble for having a weapon. However I do have a fold up walking stick needed from a previous injury. While not particularly strong, it might be enough to keep a bit of distance between myself and potential 'jackers.I have nearly been flattened as a pedestrian by one of these f
kers on a Yamaha Xmax - he came out of access road at a rate of knots, joined traffic on the Fulham Rd and didn't even slow down before the red light he ran. Had I been hard of hearing and not heard the engine I could have stepped right in front of him.I firmly believe that the pursuit rules are wrong. Police need to be able to stop a crime in progress. If a thief is injured while fleeing the police he/she should have to live with the consequences. The scumbag who I had a close call with wasn't being pursued, he was just riding like a
. Rovinghawk said:
Pothole said:
What about the officers in pursuit and the duty officer who authorises the chase?
If their actions are reasonable then there should be no problem for them.If a scrote running from the police falls over its not the police's fault, so why the fuss when a scrote comes off a bike because of riding like a fool?
The blame should be on the criminal, not the police.
dudleybloke said:
Rovinghawk said:
Pothole said:
What about the officers in pursuit and the duty officer who authorises the chase?
If their actions are reasonable then there should be no problem for them.If a scrote running from the police falls over its not the police's fault, so why the fuss when a scrote comes off a bike because of riding like a fool?
The blame should be on the criminal, not the police.
I am not in the camp of 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' but to be honest by the time you have got to the point of trying to out run a Police Officer, in the lawful course of their duty, to prevent them from detaining or speaking to you you have just lost your right to b
h about any injury you may suffer as a result.It is then up to the officers to decide if they wish to risk the injury of innocent 3rd Parties or continue the chase. Hopefully with the budding musical footballer wrapped round a lamp post at the end of it.
kev1974 said:
Massive police presence at the South end of Waterloo Bridge this late afternoon/evening pulling over what looked like every passing moped and a large number of motorbikes too, a good number of which were parked in a row by the kerb when I went past, with no riders hanging about so presume they'd been confiscated then and there for tax/insurance/ownership offences or similar.
Cunning spot to do it as they were so far down the bridge they would be hard to spot until you were half way across, no side roads to dart down and probably a patrol or two back up at the Aldwych ready to intercept any that did a suspicious mid-bridge turnaround.
Don't know if it was specifically related to moped mugging crime, but it was a checkpoint type that I've not seen before in the capital.
This sounds like a very positive developmentCunning spot to do it as they were so far down the bridge they would be hard to spot until you were half way across, no side roads to dart down and probably a patrol or two back up at the Aldwych ready to intercept any that did a suspicious mid-bridge turnaround.
Don't know if it was specifically related to moped mugging crime, but it was a checkpoint type that I've not seen before in the capital.
ChemicalChaos said:
kev1974 said:
Massive police presence at the South end of Waterloo Bridge this late afternoon/evening pulling over what looked like every passing moped and a large number of motorbikes too, a good number of which were parked in a row by the kerb when I went past, with no riders hanging about so presume they'd been confiscated then and there for tax/insurance/ownership offences or similar.
Cunning spot to do it as they were so far down the bridge they would be hard to spot until you were half way across, no side roads to dart down and probably a patrol or two back up at the Aldwych ready to intercept any that did a suspicious mid-bridge turnaround.
Don't know if it was specifically related to moped mugging crime, but it was a checkpoint type that I've not seen before in the capital.
This sounds like a very positive developmentCunning spot to do it as they were so far down the bridge they would be hard to spot until you were half way across, no side roads to dart down and probably a patrol or two back up at the Aldwych ready to intercept any that did a suspicious mid-bridge turnaround.
Don't know if it was specifically related to moped mugging crime, but it was a checkpoint type that I've not seen before in the capital.
until you've turned onto bridge approach.
I've been stopped there in lorry checks before.
Lance Catamaran said:
On BBC1 right now......Henry Hicks family turn up screaming abuse at police and telling them to "catch real criminals" after they arrest two moped muggers with a bag full of mobiles and a machete
I'm watching. Shows the type of family, I wonder where he learnt to disregard the law.Zoobeef said:
Lance Catamaran said:
On BBC1 right now......Henry Hicks family turn up screaming abuse at police and telling them to "catch real criminals" after they arrest two moped muggers with a bag full of mobiles and a machete
I'm watching. Shows the type of family, I wonder where he learnt to disregard the law.Lance Catamaran said:
On BBC1 right now......Henry Hicks family turn up screaming abuse at police and telling them to "catch real criminals" after they arrest two moped muggers with a bag full of mobiles and a machete
Watching this now as well - does beggar belief how they think they are the victims - and yet never stop to question why their son/brother (angel/couldn't hurt a fly - insert the usual spiel)Let's be honest - if a thief/scooter puts them self in harms way - it's their choice and as such police should have a set of guidelines/which if they adhere to - are not at risk of prosecution.
And for the bleeding heart liberals .... get real.
I was originally of the same mindset.
His father then said he was stopped over 180 times (I think) Over 100 anyway in a very short space of time, he was never arrested and never charged with anything.
Whilst I'm sure he was no angel those numbers speak for themselves.
The accident itself involved an unmarked car not a one stickered up as well.
His father then said he was stopped over 180 times (I think) Over 100 anyway in a very short space of time, he was never arrested and never charged with anything.
Whilst I'm sure he was no angel those numbers speak for themselves.
The accident itself involved an unmarked car not a one stickered up as well.
The stop and searching may have been excessive (apparently 71 times over 3/4 years), and the officers involved may have got themselves in a pickle whether they stuck to policy, but his death is no one's fault but his own.
He chose to fail to stop (probably because he was dealing cannabis) on his moped which was fitted with engine too powerful for the bike.
If we want a police force confident in pursuing those on bikes who fail to stop, then we need to be clear about who is responsible when it goes wrong.
It's understandable the family / friends want someone other than him to blame, but the system needs to make it clear he caused his own death.
He chose to fail to stop (probably because he was dealing cannabis) on his moped which was fitted with engine too powerful for the bike.
If we want a police force confident in pursuing those on bikes who fail to stop, then we need to be clear about who is responsible when it goes wrong.
It's understandable the family / friends want someone other than him to blame, but the system needs to make it clear he caused his own death.
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