The Gender Non-binary debate.
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bulldong said:
Following further research, I’m pretty sure it’s fake news.
Quoted directly from the healthonline safe sex guide.'In this guide, whenever we use the medical term “vagina,” we’ll also include “front hole” as clinically recommended by researchers in the BMC Pregnancy and Childbirth journal.'
https://www.healthline.com/health/lgbtqia-safe-sex...
Noodle1982 said:
bulldong said:
Following further research, I’m pretty sure it’s fake news.
Quoted directly from the healthonline safe sex guide.'In this guide, whenever we use the medical term “vagina,” we’ll also include “front hole” as clinically recommended by researchers in the BMC Pregnancy and Childbirth journal.'
https://www.healthline.com/health/lgbtqia-safe-sex...
k me. Ok. I mainly thought it was fake news because the couldron website is a right wing Christian blog, so it could have been taken out of context and rehashed to make a funny piece of satire.bulldong said:
Noodle1982 said:
bulldong said:
Following further research, I’m pretty sure it’s fake news.
Quoted directly from the healthonline safe sex guide.'In this guide, whenever we use the medical term “vagina,” we’ll also include “front hole” as clinically recommended by researchers in the BMC Pregnancy and Childbirth journal.'
https://www.healthline.com/health/lgbtqia-safe-sex...
k me. Ok. I mainly thought it was fake news because the couldron website is a right wing Christian blog, so it could have been taken out of context and rehashed to make a funny piece of satire.8.4L 154 said:
Given the title of the article "LGBTQIA Safe Sex Guide" which is targeted at trans and non binary people (which for those at the back includes trans men) and when used, both terms are used, it doesn't seem that unreasonable.
Its ridiculous.If you get triggered by the word vagina, which is one of the reasons for the term front hole, then you need psychiatric help. Wether trans or not.
I had an ex girlfriend who referred to her vagina as Dave. f
king Dave! (Quite literally!)When I told her I didn't really like getting text messages along the lines of....'dave can't wait for some attention this weekend' etc she would go in a strop.
Needless to say the relationship didn't last and she turned out to have numerous mental and psychological issues.
Noodle1982 said:
8.4L 154 said:
Given the title of the article "LGBTQIA Safe Sex Guide" which is targeted at trans and non binary people (which for those at the back includes trans men) and when used, both terms are used, it doesn't seem that unreasonable.
Its ridiculous.If you get triggered by the word vagina, which is one of the reasons for the term front hole, then you need psychiatric help. Wether trans or not.
I had an ex girlfriend who referred to her vagina as Dave. f
king Dave! (Quite literally!)When I told her I didn't really like getting text messages along the lines of....'dave can't wait for some attention this weekend' etc she would go in a strop.
Needless to say the relationship didn't last and she turned out to have numerous mental and psychological issues.
I very much doubt any trans men would have the same visceral reaction we are seeing from cis folks had vagina been the only word used.
8.4L 154 said:
It seems there are more cis people being triggered by "front hole" in an article they are not the target audience for than trans people who are slightly more comfortable with inclusive language in an article written for them.
I very much doubt any trans men would have the same visceral reaction we are seeing from cis folks had vagina been the only word used.
You obviously haven't read the article then considering all the trans people surveyed for it were trans men. I very much doubt any trans men would have the same visceral reaction we are seeing from cis folks had vagina been the only word used.
Noodle1982 said:
8.4L 154 said:
It seems there are more cis people being triggered by "front hole" in an article they are not the target audience for than trans people who are slightly more comfortable with inclusive language in an article written for them.
I very much doubt any trans men would have the same visceral reaction we are seeing from cis folks had vagina been the only word used.
You obviously haven't read the article then considering all the trans people surveyed for it were trans men. I very much doubt any trans men would have the same visceral reaction we are seeing from cis folks had vagina been the only word used.
AshVX220 said:
Indeed, even CC above said it was ridiculous.
It's just an opinion - I'm not an authority or anything. Maybe that's how its referred to in some circles? Every group has its own jargon, terms, and words. As car enthusiasts we are just as guilty. So, who knows?Certainly, next time I want to insult someone I might now be inclined to call them a front hole rather than an a
hole. 
Clockwork Cupcake said:
AshVX220 said:
Indeed, even CC above said it was ridiculous.
It's just an opinion - I'm not an authority or anything. Maybe that's how its referred to in some circles? Every group has its own jargon, terms, and words. As car enthusiasts we are just as guilty. So, who knows?Certainly, next time I want to insult someone I might now be inclined to call them a front hole rather than an a
hole. For the record, had "front hole" been found in an article on child birth on NHS choices website then i would find it not necessary or appropriate. Finding it on an LGBTQIA Sexual health article and used alongside vagina, not so much.
8.4L 154 said:
Noodle1982 said:
You obviously haven't read the article then considering all the trans people surveyed for it were trans men.
All i see is an opinion piece in a "politically and theologically conservative website" about a LGBTQIA health article. No trans voices.Another gem in that survey is chestfeeding.
I can't help but think that people's quest for inclusion is causing more divide than ever before.
8.4L 154 said:
To be honest i wasn't that impressed initially, I thought it was just another trolling post by Noodle1982 given they have form of posting incendiary articles with no comment or connection to the current thread focus. Given they then went on to pour petrol onto the fire with inflammatory language rather confirms the trolling theory.
Absolute bks. I have not once used inflammatory language in this thread nor have I trolled this thread.
Noodle1982 said:
I have not once used inflammatory language in this thread nor have I trolled this thread.
I think the suggestion was that you like to stir things up, and pour petrol on the fire, rather than your language being inflammatory. And, come on, you do rather like to provoke don't you?
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Noodle1982 said:
I have not once used inflammatory language in this thread nor have I trolled this thread.
I think the suggestion was that you like to stir things up, and pour petrol on the fire, rather than your language being inflammatory. And, come on, you do rather like to provoke don't you?
As for provoking, I don't see any problem with the questions I ask. It's not every day, certainly not where I live anyway, where you get an actual transgender person answering your questions regardless of how provoking they are so why not make the most of it and ask certain things that others wouldn't dare to in a real life setting.
8.4L 154 said:
Noodle1982 said:
8.4L 154 said:
Given the title of the article "LGBTQIA Safe Sex Guide" which is targeted at trans and non binary people (which for those at the back includes trans men) and when used, both terms are used, it doesn't seem that unreasonable.
Its ridiculous.If you get triggered by the word vagina, which is one of the reasons for the term front hole, then you need psychiatric help. Wether trans or not.
I had an ex girlfriend who referred to her vagina as Dave. f
king Dave! (Quite literally!)When I told her I didn't really like getting text messages along the lines of....'dave can't wait for some attention this weekend' etc she would go in a strop.
Needless to say the relationship didn't last and she turned out to have numerous mental and psychological issues.
I very much doubt any trans men would have the same visceral reaction we are seeing from cis folks had vagina been the only word used.
Androgynous said:
I never use the word cis when talking to non-trans people, it feels a bit antagonistic.
There was a trans woman on Woman's Hour last Monday (29th I think?) who managed to get themselves completely tied up in knots explaining 'cis' to the presenter. They ended up getting a bit snotty about it. We've been through the whole 'cis' word thing earlier in the thread at tedious length.
I think we concluded that it is on the whole not needed unless relevant. eg. white woman, black woman, Chinese woman, disabled woman, cis woman, trans woman. It's a modifier that only has relevance when there is a need to distinguish.
I think we concluded that it is on the whole not needed unless relevant. eg. white woman, black woman, Chinese woman, disabled woman, cis woman, trans woman. It's a modifier that only has relevance when there is a need to distinguish.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
We've been through the whole 'cis' word thing earlier in the thread at tedious length.
I think we concluded that it is on the whole not needed unless relevant. eg. white woman, black woman, Chinese woman, disabled woman, cis woman, trans woman. It's a modifier that only has relevance when there is a need to distinguish.
Woperson. I think we concluded that it is on the whole not needed unless relevant. eg. white woman, black woman, Chinese woman, disabled woman, cis woman, trans woman. It's a modifier that only has relevance when there is a need to distinguish.
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