The Gender Non-binary debate.

[ClockworkCupcake]

Mothersruin said:

You two are coming across as a bit 'special'.

Not really. I've just seen these threads go this way too many times. The debate gets done, facts have been stated, views have been exchanged, conclusions are often made, some people have even taken new information on board and modified their view. Then the sensible debate tends to peter out and the straw man arguments begin, until you're left with a couple of hard core posters who come up with ever more preposterous straw man arguments to try to "win" the unwillable. Then people get bored and start to be silly.

We saw it so many times on the marriage equality threads - with the 'pro' people just sticking to "two people who love each other should be able to marry" and the 'anti' people coming up with ever more outrageous "what about..." scenarios. Oddly those included horses too.

I think I've said pretty much all that needs to be said on the subject, so I'll take my cute little 'special' self elsewhere in that case.

Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Thursday 20th July 15:21

[catso]

WinstonWolf said:

FlyingMeeces said:

Triumph Man said:

FlyingMeeces said:

if someone isn't fluid bonded with her partner,

Dare I ask what that is?

Sorry.

It's someone who does not have unprotected sex (yet, or at all).

Fluid bonded is when you're good with exchanging fluids - you know you're each clean/safe, and you're not having unprotected sex with anybody else.

What's with all the special terms? Jesus this is unnecessarily complicated.

Yes, what's wrong with good old just 'leaving it in'?

[FlyingMeeces]

WinstonWolf said:

What's with all the special terms? Jesus this is unnecessarily complicated.

New to you it may be, but unnecessarily complicated?

It's a totally standard term with no particular relevance to trans*, queer or kinky people, if that helps.

I'll go for 'people that like to shag without the bag' next time, shall I?

[WinstonWolf]

FlyingMeeces said:

WinstonWolf said:

What's with all the special terms? Jesus this is unnecessarily complicated.

New to you it may be, but unnecessarily complicated?

It's a totally standard term with no particular relevance to trans*, queer or kinky people, if that helps.

I'll go for 'people that like to shag without the bag' next time, shall I?

Yup, what is it with all these 'special' words? Fluid bonded? Sounds like a bloody automatic transmission;.

[ClockworkCupcake]

WinstonWolf said:

Yup, what is it with all these 'special' words? Fluid bonded? Sounds like a bloody automatic transmission;.

I confess that I wasn't aware of the term, but having read up on it (only a simple google search away), it would seem that it's meant to convey a relationship where the couple have decided they are both STD-clear and they trust each other enough to let their guard down and have regular unprotected sex (ie. exchange bodily fluids) and have the trust & commitment to continue to do so (which I guess is where "bonded" comes from).

As opposed to just having a bareback shag.

Of course you could just type that out in full each time. Or you could invent a phrase to convey it.

Every day is a school day on PH.

[gregs656]

WinstonWolf said:

Yup, what is it with all these 'special' words? Fluid bonded? Sounds like a bloody automatic transmission;.

All communities use particular/technical terminology which is relevant to them - PH included - 'lepton' for example.

[WinstonWolf]

ClockworkCupcake said:

WinstonWolf said:

Yup, what is it with all these 'special' words? Fluid bonded? Sounds like a bloody automatic transmission;.

I confess that I wasn't aware of the term, but having read up on it (only a simple google search away), it would seem that it's meant to convey a relationship where the couple have decided they are both STD-clear and they trust each other enough to let their guard down and have regular unprotected sex (ie. exchange bodily fluids) and have the trust & commitment to continue to do so (which I guess is where "bonded" comes from).

As opposed to just having a bareback shag.

Of course you could just type that out in full each time. Or you could invent a phrase to convey it.

Every day is a school day on PH.

Invent being the operative word... "ooh, there's not enough words to describe my situation because I'm so special". Grrr

[ClockworkCupcake]

gregs656 said:

All communities use particular/technical terminology which is relevant to them - PH included - 'lepton' for example.

Exactly.

WinstonWolf said:

Invent being the operative word... "ooh, there's not enough words to describe my situation because I'm so special". Grrr

I'm intrigued. When you talk to car guys do you say you have a Griff 500 or do you say a "TVR Griffith with the 5 litre Rover* V8 engine"?

* - originally designed by Buick, then bought and developed by Rover, and then further developed in-house by TVR Power.

[gregs656]

WinstonWolf said:

Invent being the operative word... "ooh, there's not enough words to describe my situation because I'm so special". Grrr

Nothing to do with being special. Just efficient communication within a group. Happens everywhere. I wouldn't go into the finance section and make out what a bunch of snowflakes they must be because they have invented a way of discussing finance which is not easy to understand unless you've been around it for a while.

[ClockworkCupcake]

I find it rather amusing that someone who works in the IT / Networking sector has a problem with people making up words and phrases.

[FlyingMeeces]

Good grief, WW, do all neologisms (ish) upset you this much?

It must be a bit stressful watching the tide get closer to your sandcastle.

It's not a 'special groups' phrase, unless you think 'people who like to fk without protection' qualify as a special group…

[xjay1337]

ClockworkCupcake said:

WinstonWolf said:

Yup, what is it with all these 'special' words? Fluid bonded? Sounds like a bloody automatic transmission;.

I confess that I wasn't aware of the term, but having read up on it (only a simple google search away), it would seem that it's meant to convey a relationship where the couple have decided they are both STD-clear and they trust each other enough to let their guard down and have regular unprotected sex (ie. exchange bodily fluids) and have the trust & commitment to continue to do so (which I guess is where "bonded" comes from).

As opposed to just having a bareback shag.

Of course you could just type that out in full each time. Or you could invent a phrase to convey it.

Every day is a school day on PH.

But why use such a stupid term? Surely you cannot seriously be that thick as to see why using such terminology is surely going to make the "uptake" of such terms which seems to be the end goal of overly pro-Trans/queer groups of people.

Sex is sex.
Sex without a condom is sex
Sex with a condom is still sex.
Most normal people go "shall we stop using condoms now?" NOWHERE in my life, aside from here, have I came across the term "fluid-bonded".

Maybe they are shagging on a bed of pre-famulated amulite.....

[p2c]

xjay1337 said:

ClockworkCupcake said:

WinstonWolf said:

Yup, what is it with all these 'special' words? Fluid bonded? Sounds like a bloody automatic transmission;.

I confess that I wasn't aware of the term, but having read up on it (only a simple google search away), it would seem that it's meant to convey a relationship where the couple have decided they are both STD-clear and they trust each other enough to let their guard down and have regular unprotected sex (ie. exchange bodily fluids) and have the trust & commitment to continue to do so (which I guess is where "bonded" comes from).

As opposed to just having a bareback shag.

Of course you could just type that out in full each time. Or you could invent a phrase to convey it.

Every day is a school day on PH.

But why use such a stupid term? Surely you cannot seriously be that thick as to see why using such terminology is surely going to make the "uptake" of such terms which seems to be the end goal of overly pro-Trans/queer groups of people.

Sex is sex.
Sex without a condom is sex
Sex with a condom is still sex.
Most normal people go "shall we stop using condoms now?" NOWHERE in my life, aside from here, have I came across the term "fluid-bonded".

Maybe they are shagging on a bed of pre-famulated amulite.....

I think it has been said before that fluid bonded is not a trans/queer or even an LGB term. Maybe they are more familiar with it because they are more open to those concerns and language, but a quick google, the results are not from LGBT sources, they are from lifestyle, health and medical cishet sources.

[romeogolf]

p2c said:

xjay1337 said:

ClockworkCupcake said:

WinstonWolf said:

Yup, what is it with all these 'special' words? Fluid bonded? Sounds like a bloody automatic transmission;.

I confess that I wasn't aware of the term, but having read up on it (only a simple google search away), it would seem that it's meant to convey a relationship where the couple have decided they are both STD-clear and they trust each other enough to let their guard down and have regular unprotected sex (ie. exchange bodily fluids) and have the trust & commitment to continue to do so (which I guess is where "bonded" comes from).

As opposed to just having a bareback shag.

Of course you could just type that out in full each time. Or you could invent a phrase to convey it.

Every day is a school day on PH.

But why use such a stupid term? Surely you cannot seriously be that thick as to see why using such terminology is surely going to make the "uptake" of such terms which seems to be the end goal of overly pro-Trans/queer groups of people.

Sex is sex.
Sex without a condom is sex
Sex with a condom is still sex.
Most normal people go "shall we stop using condoms now?" NOWHERE in my life, aside from here, have I came across the term "fluid-bonded".

Maybe they are shagging on a bed of pre-famulated amulite.....

I think it has been said before that fluid bonded is not a trans/queer or even an LGB term. Maybe they are more familiar with it because they are more open to those concerns and language, but a quick google, the results are not from LGBT sources, they are from lifestyle, health and medical cishet sources.

Indeed, I'm a gay man and hadn't heard the term but assumed quickly it was a term for couples who have unprotected sex and a quick Google confirmed it. Why 'unprotected sex' can't be used, I don't know, but then we have multiple phrases for lots of things which mean the same thing. Just ask a Yorkshireman what they call a bread roll in the presence of a Brummie...

[WinstonWolf]

FlyingMeeces said:

Good grief, WW, do all neologisms (ish) upset you this much?

It must be a bit stressful watching the tide get closer to your sandcastle.

It's not a 'special groups' phrase, unless you think 'people who like to fk without protection' qualify as a special group…

'unprotected sex' seems to suffice for most people.

[ClockworkCupcake]

WinstonWolf said:

'unprotected sex' seems to suffice for most people.

It's almost like you didn't bother to read the explanations that were given.

[ClockworkCupcake]

xjay1337 said:

Most normal people go "shall we stop using condoms now?" NOWHERE in my life, aside from here, have I came across the term "fluid-bonded".

Me neither, but I accept that people use it and that it is a term that is in use. I just shrugged, added it to my lexicon, and moved on.

I wonder why you and WW can't do likewise, and instead have to have bhy little "look at me" moans about it. You two seem a bit 'special'.

[p2c]

WinstonWolf said:

FlyingMeeces said:

Good grief, WW, do all neologisms (ish) upset you this much?

It must be a bit stressful watching the tide get closer to your sandcastle.

It's not a 'special groups' phrase, unless you think 'people who like to fk without protection' qualify as a special group…

'unprotected sex' seems to suffice for most people.

But unprotected sex would by a significant number of people be considered to be PIV (Penis in Vagina) intercourse or some variation. But that does not include other activity some of which may not even involve sex which would result in fluid bonding. For instance I would not have any hesitation (ok some) in handling my partners blood, vomit or excrement during an accident/illness as we are fluid bonded. Drug users may be fluid bonded through needle use is another example.

[WinstonWolf]

ClockworkCupcake said:

xjay1337 said:

Most normal people go "shall we stop using condoms now?" NOWHERE in my life, aside from here, have I came across the term "fluid-bonded".

Me neither, but I accept that people use it and that it is a term that is in use. I just shrugged, added it to my lexicon, and moved on.

I wonder why you and WW can't do likewise, and instead have to have bhy little "look at me" moans about it. You two seem a bit 'special'.

That's proper made me chuckle...

[xjay1337]

ClockworkCupcake said:

Me neither, but I accept that people use it and that it is a term that is in use. I just shrugged, added it to my lexicon, and moved on.

I wonder why you and WW can't do likewise, and instead have to have bhy little "look at me" moans about it. You two seem a bit 'special'.

What the hell is a lexicon? Again, pointless words. I assume you mean vocabulary.
It's not "in use", I wonder how many people use the "fluid-sharing" or whatever term. Probably <2% of the population, 75% of which are probably LBGT, TSFUEE, UUAL,SJS or whatever.

I'm sure WW is the same as me - perfectly open to other peoples choices and views but why create all these stupid meaningless phrases when perfectly good ones already exist?
The same for gender neutral advertising. ps off, stop trying to change the world when 85% of people are fully tolerant and supportive and the 15% that aren't, won't be in support of your stupid words and phrases anyway.