The Gender Non-binary debate.
Discussion
Clockwork Cupcake said:
She believes you want to have sex with her because you consider her to be a woman. You have sex with her, and then you find she was born a man and you tell her that you are now disgusted and want some form of redress (legal or otherwise).
You have penetrated her under false pretences, just like rubber cock girl penetrated a woman under false pretences. So if you insist on equating the two, then you are the assaulter since you are the penetrator, and you have penetrated under false pretences just like rubber cock girl did.
Do you actually believe that? I think you are being deliberately obtuse.You have penetrated her under false pretences, just like rubber cock girl penetrated a woman under false pretences. So if you insist on equating the two, then you are the assaulter since you are the penetrator, and you have penetrated under false pretences just like rubber cock girl did.
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Saturday 16th March 11:29
descentia said:
I haven't stalked you at all, unlike you I read the other things on PH and now and again I come across posters who I have a faint recollection of from somewhere else. So if you are willing to put up photos of things like your Porsche Penis Enlargement and links to your youtube page playing with a £40 toy from Argos then be prepared to have the urine extracted from your person.
I did wonder if you would be the quintessential fat white company director who claims to hammer sausages into someone's lawn at 4.00 am and that's certainly borne out by the Panamera and the dreaming of trans sex whilst at the same time being disgusted.
May I suggest to you as a george, or are you a mike , no matter, next time you are in Paris go down to the Bois de Boulougne and ask the Brazilian hookers to sort you out. That'll cure you or make you, you might even enjoy it but it'll be more of an experience than sitting in front of a screen banging one out.
Oh and one last thing the Jewish false sympathies, don't.
Regardless of whether you agree with the opinions of George, a personal attack like the above just highlights you as a moronI did wonder if you would be the quintessential fat white company director who claims to hammer sausages into someone's lawn at 4.00 am and that's certainly borne out by the Panamera and the dreaming of trans sex whilst at the same time being disgusted.
May I suggest to you as a george, or are you a mike , no matter, next time you are in Paris go down to the Bois de Boulougne and ask the Brazilian hookers to sort you out. That'll cure you or make you, you might even enjoy it but it'll be more of an experience than sitting in front of a screen banging one out.
Oh and one last thing the Jewish false sympathies, don't.
descentia said:
George Smiley said:
I make no assumptions that this is your only identify, and apologies to CC for the out of order comment regarding male traits but these actions are somewhat disturbing and something I'd attribute more to a threatening demeanour from a male characteristic.
Well if you find me threatening then I suggest you report it to the mods. Whilst you're at it bring up your concerns of being sexual assaulted by "others".Your posts here have been pretty offensive so ask the mods for some feedback on that too.
Male trait .... better make sure your partner/wife isn't looking through what you're up to online and phone then. And with the comments relating to my partner, again you are trying to appear threatening - there is nothing on my phone or browsing history I'd be ashamed to show anybody but do carry on if its making you feel better.
Buggles said:
I'm not saying you wouldn't, and I'm not saying there needs to be legislation, but respect - both ways - goes a long way.
Well, that's the thing. In the real world (outside of George's fantasies and strawman arguments) the situation just isn't going to arise because the trans woman is going to make damn sure she's not about to expose herself to risk of verbal or physical attack.But, yes, it does go both ways. Which means, given that it goes both ways, that the man has as much of a duty to say "I hope you weren't born a man" as the trans woman apparently has a duty to say "Oh, just so you know, I was born a man". It's not all down to her.
The whole situation is ridiculous though, and also presupposes that women need to convince a man to have sex with her. And we all know that's not how it works - in the majority of cases it's the man trying to convince the woman to open her legs.
I do find the male psyche somewhat amusing in this respect. The whole idea that he is so irresistible that a trans woman would want to try to trick him into sex. As if.
Buggles said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
But, yes, it does go both ways. Which means, given that it goes both ways, that the man has as much of a duty to say "I hope you weren't born a man" as the trans woman apparently has a duty to say "Oh, just so you know, I was born a man". It's not all down to her.
I think that you know that that isn't the case. If you're portraying yourself as a woman, and you know that the person believes you to be a woman, the onus is on the trans woman to confess that it's not all as it seems.
What about if you have 25% Indian dna, do you have a duty to tell your racist boyfriend your tan was not from the sun?
8.4L 154 said:
Buggles said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
But, yes, it does go both ways. Which means, given that it goes both ways, that the man has as much of a duty to say "I hope you weren't born a man" as the trans woman apparently has a duty to say "Oh, just so you know, I was born a man". It's not all down to her.
I think that you know that that isn't the case. If you're portraying yourself as a woman, and you know that the person believes you to be a woman, the onus is on the trans woman to confess that it's not all as it seems.
What about if you have 25% Indian dna, do you have a duty to tell your racist boyfriend your tan was not from the sun?
George Smiley said:
8.4L 154 said:
Buggles said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
But, yes, it does go both ways. Which means, given that it goes both ways, that the man has as much of a duty to say "I hope you weren't born a man" as the trans woman apparently has a duty to say "Oh, just so you know, I was born a man". It's not all down to her.
I think that you know that that isn't the case. If you're portraying yourself as a woman, and you know that the person believes you to be a woman, the onus is on the trans woman to confess that it's not all as it seems.
What about if you have 25% Indian dna, do you have a duty to tell your racist boyfriend your tan was not from the sun?
The issue is you make your decision based on the information available to you at the time, you cant have double standards where racist are wrong but homo/transphobes are the victim.
George Smiley said:
You guys keep dodging a genuine issue by using ridiculous comebacks like this.
It's only a "genuine issue" to you, George.The reason that you see the comeback as "ridiculous" is because those don't seem like issues to you, but the trans issue is a huge issue to you.
The racial DNA is a "genuine issue" to a racist.
Buggles said:
If you're portraying yourself as a woman, and you know that the person believes you to be a woman, the onus is on the trans woman to confess that it's not all as it seems.
Actually, the onus is on the trans woman to determine if the potential partner is a raving transphobe and to get the hell out of sexytown if they are. 
So, really, we're saying the same thing but from different angles. It is in the trans woman's interest to determine if the guy is going to react negatively to her history. Yes. Absolutely. And that could potentially be by 'fessing up. But, more likely, by subtly sounding him out first and then making an exit if he seems negative.
So, as I said, George's worries are unfounded. It's just not going to get to the point of "deception". Which, frankly, is a pretty crappy way of thinking about it and is pretty arrogant to assume that a trans woman would *want* to date him.
George Smiley said:
Sea lion
Just to remind you, George...Sealioning (also spelled sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility.
It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate."
Your incessant invitations to engage in debate on the issue of a trans woman trying to trick you into having sex with her seems to eminently qualify here.
The people who you are accusing of being a sea lion are people responding to your persistent requests to debate the issue.
I would be more than happy for you to drop the matter entirely.
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