The Gender Non-binary debate.

[anonymous-user]

gregs656 said:

Not only swapped sex, but also swapped sides in bed !

[Halb]

first thing I thought too

[Gandahar]

Yes or no, yes or no ?

Does this debate being non binary mean I have to argue maybe?

Maybe is a wishy washy answer.

My argument is

FECK YEAH.

to whatever you are whittering on about. Or maybe it was FECK NO.

No, the answer is

FECK MAYBE.

So there.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

I found this news heart-warming, as merely a generation ago (EG mine a JJ's) this wouldn't have been welcomed with open arms.

My only fear is that he/she (I don't recall how they identify) was on the end of positive discrimination.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/sch...

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Wednesday 26th June 14:00

[George Smiley]

Cant help but feel they won precisely because they were identifying as transgender. Cool votes from the cool kids etc as I am certain (if it was the blonde in pink dress) there were better looking CIS girls BUT it is great this can happen in a more enlightened generation.

I was beaten for being a "fag" as dicks at school heard I liked Queen.

[gregs656]

Good for him. I don't think I would have the stones to do something like that to be honest.

George Smiley said:

Cant help but feel they won precisely because they were identifying as transgender.

He doesn't identify as transgender. The article states he wants to be a drag queen.

[George Smiley]

The ffs

[Bibbs]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

I found this news heart-warming, as merely a generation ago (EG mine a JJ's) this wouldn't have been welcomed with open arms.

My only fear is that he/she (I don't recall how they identify) was on the end of positive discrimination.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/sch...

I'm more disturbed that the UK now has "College Proms" .. it's all a bit American isn't it?

[The Li-ion King]

Bibbs said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

I found this news heart-warming, as merely a generation ago (EG mine a JJ's) this wouldn't have been welcomed with open arms.

My only fear is that he/she (I don't recall how they identify) was on the end of positive discrimination.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/sch...

I'm more disturbed that the UK now has "College Proms" .. it's all a bit American isn't it?

In the last few years, something else that has gained traction over here, even the hiring of limo's to make an entrance for the big night, or in the case of the drag queen mentioned above, Arriva buses must have been a big enough car park to fit a Wright Streetlite in amongst the more common stretched Hummers or hired 7 series

His friends seem supportive. In the City of London, nearly every employer I have visited for work has been advertising Pride Month, and for most people I don't see them having issues with this... I saw a young guy leaving his office in a tartan pencil skirt, not obviously a kilt, but most people might have glanced but I think the days of yelling stuff or pointing are hopefully over. I think people have no problem with diversity but its the array of different terms that may throw them. Fashion is changing as well, and younger people are more open minded

[anonymous-user]

BBC News - Transgender hate crimes recorded by police goes up 81%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370

[Gecko1978]

cookie118 said:

BBC News - Transgender hate crimes recorded by police goes up 81%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370

As we accept one group scum look for the next target irish>black>gay>muslim>trans etc. I did put forward the idea that if we want acceptance of everyone then that means also accepting negative views but with the caveats violence an incitement to violence are prohibited.

We have as a society come very far in acceptance of others, trans people are more open an society more aware which I believe is the driver behind the rise not a genuine hatred by wider society. The next group will be along soon enough to be a target of mindless hate

[JagLover]

Gecko1978 said:

cookie118 said:

BBC News - Transgender hate crimes recorded by police goes up 81%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370

As we accept one group scum look for the next target irish>black>gay>muslim>trans etc. I did put forward the idea that if we want acceptance of everyone then that means also accepting negative views but with the caveats violence an incitement to violence are prohibited.

We have as a society come very far in acceptance of others, trans people are more open an society more aware which I believe is the driver behind the rise not a genuine hatred by wider society. The next group will be along soon enough to be a target of mindless hate

"Mis-gendering" someone is no doubt considered a "hate crime" so I wouldn't jump to conclusions if I were you.

[Gecko1978]

JagLover said:

Gecko1978 said:

cookie118 said:

BBC News - Transgender hate crimes recorded by police goes up 81%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370

As we accept one group scum look for the next target irish>black>gay>muslim>trans etc. I did put forward the idea that if we want acceptance of everyone then that means also accepting negative views but with the caveats violence an incitement to violence are prohibited.

We have as a society come very far in acceptance of others, trans people are more open an society more aware which I believe is the driver behind the rise not a genuine hatred by wider society. The next group will be along soon enough to be a target of mindless hate

"Mis-gendering" someone is no doubt considered a "hate crime" so I wouldn't jump to conclusions if I were you.

Jag is that my point there is not more real hate, there is a new target group and what we determine as hate is evolving so as one group becomes prominent we find more ways whixh cause offence etc. Less Trans-ageddon more easy targets for small minority

[Halb]

Just seen the trans-attacks story on the news. I would think as our culture becomes less restricted and people are 'allowed' to live as they feel they need to, the crimes will rise because before they just hid away, as other groups did beforehand. And as things go forward the sudden rush of crime will reduce and balance out.

George Smiley said:

I was beaten for being a "fag" as dicks at school heard I liked Queen.

they used that term?

[Gooseberry]

JagLover said:

Gecko1978 said:

cookie118 said:

BBC News - Transgender hate crimes recorded by police goes up 81%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370

As we accept one group scum look for the next target irish>black>gay>muslim>trans etc. I did put forward the idea that if we want acceptance of everyone then that means also accepting negative views but with the caveats violence an incitement to violence are prohibited.

We have as a society come very far in acceptance of others, trans people are more open an society more aware which I believe is the driver behind the rise not a genuine hatred by wider society. The next group will be along soon enough to be a target of mindless hate

"Mis-gendering" someone is no doubt considered a "hate crime" so I wouldn't jump to conclusions if I were you.

The police think it is so I think it's safe to assume they will add a reports of misgendering to their stats.

The CPS publishes stats on actual hate crime convictions in England and Wales, and these show a more hopeful trend (since 2017): there were 28 convictions for transphobic hate crime in 2014/2015, 68 in 2015/2016, 67 in 2016/2017 and 63 in 2017/2018.

Edited by Gooseberry on Thursday 27th June 15:30

[andy_s]

Did anyone read the Home Office report on hate crime that puts some other explanation into these figures...?

[Davos123]

Gooseberry said:

The police think it is so I think it's safe to assume they will add a reports of misgendering to their stats.

The CPS publishes stats on actual hate crime convictions in England and Wales, and these show a more hopeful trend (since 2017): there were 28 convictions for transphobic hate crime in 2014/2015, 68 in 2017/2018, 67 in 2016/2017 and 63 in 2017/2018.

That article doesn't say misgendering someone is a hate crime.

[Gooseberry]

Davos123 said:

Gooseberry said:

The police think it is so I think it's safe to assume they will add a reports of misgendering to their stats.

The CPS publishes stats on actual hate crime convictions in England and Wales, and these show a more hopeful trend (since 2017): there were 28 convictions for transphobic hate crime in 2014/2015, 68 in 2017/2018, 67 in 2016/2017 and 63 in 2017/2018.

That article doesn't say misgendering someone is a hate crime.

The article argues that it isn't, but it says the police guidance materials originally said this:

"Transphobia: The fear or dislike of someone based on their being trans, including the denial/refusal of their gender identity. Any incident of transphobia, any form of prejudice or hatred towards a person because of their actual or perceived transgender, is considered a transgender hate crime."

i.e. denial of gender identity = transphobia = hate crime.

But yes, it does say that they corrected it by removing the second sentence, so I see what you mean. Bit worrying it was ever there in to start with though.

[gregs656]

Gooseberry said:

The police think it is so I think it's safe to assume they will add a reports of misgendering to their stats.

Have you read that article?

It doesn't even include the word misgender.

[Gooseberry]

gregs656 said:

Gooseberry said:

The police think it is so I think it's safe to assume they will add a reports of misgendering to their stats.

Have you read that article?

It doesn't even include the word misgender.

Misgendering is a denial/refusal of someones gender identity.