The Gender Non-binary debate.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

It's rather sad how this, a rather educational thread, has a habit of going round in circles.

[A Winner Is You]

Triumph Trollomite said:

CoolHands said:

Looks like barbers are in the firing line now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50691249

This may be the wrong thread.

Edited by CoolHands on Friday 10th January 22:26

I love how she managed to squeeze an implied sense of homophobia the silly tart

Because if there's one profession that's known for its masculinity, it's hairdressing.

[gizlaroc]

Surely just go to a cheaper hairdresser?


The ones round me charge anywhere from £9 to £48, the one I use and have used for the last 25 years is £21.



Looking for prices locally round here I only found this one..

STYLING
GENTS CUT & BLOW DRY – £14.00

WALK IN ONLY

LADIES CUT & BLOW DRY – £15.00

WALK IN ONLY

LADIES PREMIUM CUT & BLOW DRY – £20.00

SELECT YOUR STYLIST ONLINE OR IN SHOP

GENTS PREMIUM CUT & BLOW DRY – £19.00

[Clockwork Cupcake]

And now for a more positive news article.

25 year-old YouTuber with 13 million followers who does beauty and makeup tips has just come out as transgender because someone was trying to blackmail by threatening to "out" her so she decided to do so herself instead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51104236

Obviously if any of the sleuths on this thread had watched one of her videos then they would have instantly deduced her birth gender, given that all trans women are instantly recognisable to them (apparently), but for millions of others on her channel it came as a surprise.

Edit: Funnily enough that's how I came out to my parents - my ex was threatening to "out" me to them so I decided pre-empt it and to tell them on my own terms.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Tuesday 14th January 23:46

[Triumph Trollomite]

She's clearly transgender, no need to be derogatory about the ability to spot the obvious.

Was your ex m or f? Either way not acceptable to blackmail, however, a negative reaction can be a natural one after decimating someone's feelings and thoughts on the relationship being a lie (upfront disclosure would have helped?)

Is there a link to your youtube video?

Edited by Triumph Trollomite on Wednesday 15th January 01:33

[InitialDave]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

And now for a more positive news article.

25 year-old YouTuber with 13 million followers who does beauty and makeup tips has just come out as transgender because someone was trying to blackmail by threatening to "out" her so she decided to do so herself instead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51104236

"Positive"

I'm right on board with her doing her own thing, but I really, really hope she named and shamed precisely who it was who it was that threatened to "out" her for being herself, and that they caught an inordinate amount of st online as a result of this.

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Funnily enough that's how I came out to my parents - my ex was threatening to "out" me to them so I decided pre-empt it and to tell them on my own terms.

Sorry, but that's pretty fking horrible. Whether because you yourself felt that things in general were at a point that you had to "out" yourself, or you had parents/family who you felt wouldn't accept you as you were regardless.

I have had very close friends come out to me as gay/bi, and frankly all it does it reinforce my feeling that they're my friends and I should back them up.

[Triumph Trollomite]

Well said Dave

[Triumph Trollomite]

Brilliant interview here with piers Morgan, a transitioned woman and a confused gay man

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C1roM98Dass

I think the gay man and his views is the problem and something that had caused my skewed view.

India makes fantastic points and is quite lovely to boot.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

InitialDave said:

Sorry, but that's pretty fking horrible. Whether because you yourself felt that things in general were at a point that you had to "out" yourself, or you had parents/family who you felt wouldn't accept you as you were regardless.

The latter. Exactly the same situation as the girl in the video - it was a blackmail attempt and I sought to neutralise it by coming out on my own terms.

The whole acceptance thing is an ongoing issue. I forced the issue this Christmas by simply refusing to kowtow to their sensibilities and just turned up as I am. After the initial wobble and panic, things were met with the typical British stoic response of ignoring the elephant in the room and sweeping it all under the carpet. But at least it was on my terms, and I actually had a wonderful Christmas being able to finally be myself. My nieces and nephews were totally cool with it and one told me that, after the initial weirdness, it felt completely natural and a non-issue, whilst the eldest had the unspoken attitude of "it's about time".

[Triumph Trollomite]

Great stuff.

[InitialDave]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

The latter. Exactly the same situation as the girl in the video - it was a blackmail attempt and I sought to neutralise it by coming out on my own terms.

The whole acceptance thing is an ongoing issue. I forced the issue this Christmas by simply refusing to kowtow to their sensibilities and just turned up as I am. After the initial wobble and panic, things were met with the typical British stoic response of ignoring the elephant in the room and sweeping it all under the carpet. But at least it was on my terms, and I actually had a wonderful Christmas being able to finally be myself. My nieces and nephews were totally cool with it and one told me that, after the initial weirdness, it felt completely natural and a non-issue, whilst the eldest had the unspoken attitude of "it's about time".

I'm glad to hear it, especially that the younger generation seemingly handle things in a better way.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

InitialDave said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

The latter. Exactly the same situation as the girl in the video - it was a blackmail attempt and I sought to neutralise it by coming out on my own terms.

The whole acceptance thing is an ongoing issue. I forced the issue this Christmas by simply refusing to kowtow to their sensibilities and just turned up as I am. After the initial wobble and panic, things were met with the typical British stoic response of ignoring the elephant in the room and sweeping it all under the carpet. But at least it was on my terms, and I actually had a wonderful Christmas being able to finally be myself. My nieces and nephews were totally cool with it and one told me that, after the initial weirdness, it felt completely natural and a non-issue, whilst the eldest had the unspoken attitude of "it's about time".

I'm glad to hear it, especially that the younger generation seemingly handle things in a better way.

your parents need to join the 21st century Jo, but previous online chats suggest they'll struggle to do so. Well done for standing up to them

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

your parents need to join the 21st century Jo, but previous online chats suggest they'll struggle to do so. Well done for standing up to them

Well, my mum has made several comments since about how "family is important" so I think she'll just adjust.
And whilst my mum was having her initial freak-out, my dad just hugged me and said "You're still my son aren't you?" to which I replied "Still your child; yes".

Not sure how accepting dad *actually* is though, as he did subsequently say that he "just put [his] clinical hat on" (he's a retired doctor) but so long as they just present a brave face on things from now on then that's good enough as far as I am concerned. I'll just ignore any misgendering and dead-naming unless it's particularly blatant.

It's funny, actually, but my dad has always called me "My Son" (it's a BlackAdder 1 reference) and he didn't once do so that day. I think that was possibly the most accepting thing he could possibly do and I noticed it and really appreciated it.

Anyway, apologies. I didn't mean to derail the thread.

[Triumph Trollomite]

I think it is naturally hard for parents to accept as it's as if they are losing a child and gaining a stranger - not a case of unaccepting but a case of grief

They talk to you which is still a great thing, also, older generation - good luck

[Triumph Trollomite]

Jenna Fantasma has just caused me a lot of personal conflict and confusion.

[mike9009]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51676020

[Stay in Bed Instead]

mike9009 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51676020

Is anyone surprised?

[orangesrule]

I saw this article earlier. It is infuriating, how dare they blame the NHS for their poor decision making.

[mike9009]

I thought, 'why not just change back again using the NHS?'. Suing the NHS for being very supportive at the time is plain wrong.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

What point or conclusion are you seeking to draw by posting that link?

That a bad egg proves all eggs are bad?